I was raised as a Muslim in Saudi Arabia by conservative Muslim Pakistani parents. From an early age, I had many issues with my inherited religion, ranging from great guilt and fear over missing the ritual prayers to a great deal of anger at God for making the world the way he apparently had.
I believed in Islam for as long as I did for a strange and not uncommon but very unsophisticated reason: Koranic Science, undeniable proof (or so I thought) that Islam was God’s Truth. When that turned out to be a crock, I believed for a little longer out of a sort of inertia, coupled with a great spiritual hunger that arose out of the relative deprivation of my life.
I’ve told the story of my apostasy in different ways to different people. I’ve pinpointed many solitary and dramatic point-in-time causes. This is not because I’m assigning various reasons, ex post facto, to my apostasy. It’s more because all these reasons had lain dormant in me for a long time, and eventually rose to the surface and declared themselves at some well-remembered junctures, to the point where I admitted to myself that I was no longer a Muslim.
For instance….
There was the time I went to Hajj and on one long trek, happened to see from above, from a bridge, the awe-inspiring vision of a sea of white-clad humanity pouring its heart out to God. And in that awe-inspiring moment, I had a sudden conviction pop into my head that there was no God listening to the heartrending cries of suffering humanity. In that moment, I sensed the millennia of unanswered prayers of a species yearning to hold on to… Something. I was somehow sure there was Nothing there to hold on to.
There was the time I finished a short book on the history and development of major and minor religions that have arisen and died in the course of recorded history. It was a very simple and straightforward book; making no assumptions, offering no hypotheses: Just presenting the facts. At that moment of finishing the book, I had an epiphany about Islam: It was crystal clear to me that it was just another man-made religion, destined to take its place with other religions that had come and gone, whose gods had been worshiped for centuries and then been abandoned to obscurity. This realization was very startling to me, not least because in that moment, it suddenly seemed so self-evident and simple. I remember recording this moment on a scrap of yellow note paper, as I relaxed in the teacher’s lounge of a school where I was a teacher’s assistant (and where I had found that book), and subsequently hiding my little confession.
There was the time I read the Koran with pencil in hand and by the time I was done, there wasn’t an inch of clean margin-space left unmarred by my – sometimes very blasphemous – scrawls. For I heard the sound of a human man’s voice in that “holy text” and nowhere did I find any hint that I was acceptable, that my ideas could be reconciled to what the text clearly said. I felt the text spoke directly to men and was written for them and had nothing to do with me as a woman.
I also found the Koran painfully boring and repetitive and strangely over-concerned with the sexual and domestic peccadilloes of the author. It seemed plain to me that Muhammad was the author of the Koran.
Naturally, I have all sorts of issues with Islam’s position on women, and with Islamic penal law. And I see Islamic history as a sort of joy-ride of imperialism, oppression and a chronicle of misery with Bad Idea written all over it. But my main beef with Islam, the main reason I don’t believe any divine being revealed the Koran or appointed flawed Muhammad as the final prophet, is the utter ludicrousness of the idea of Revelation.
Consider: For some reason, a God creates us as conscious self-aware beings. He has also created the universe – obviously, this God is a being of some level of sophistication. Grand ideas, foresight, ingenuity and other lofty virtues are not beyond His ability to master. For some reason, He decides He wants to communicate with His creation. Instead of using some simple and foolproof method, He decides to use hearsay, whispers in the dark, dreams and other nebulous methods. Then He proves incapable – many times over – of preserving any of His ‘revelation’ in its true form. Finally, He catches on to it that His revelation is being corrupted time and again, so He finally decides He’s going to preserve His final revelation in perfect form, down to the last jot and tittle. Except that He can’t.
Now our Almighty Being has managed to produce a situation where many versions of His Truth are floating around. Since He’s been known to exhort His creatures to believe upon pain of eternal damnation, nobody wants to believe anything other than what his mama and daddy told him was true. Then they all fight about who’s got The Truth™.
But they all agree about one thing: The purpose of this whole revelation business was to provide mankind with guidance, supposedly because we can’t reason our way out of a paper bag with a squirt gun and a starter hole (which is true enough most of the time). Well, that certainly makes sense – kind of like a manual. But…we can’t really take any of the ‘guidance’ at face value because then we’d be slaying kaffirs, taking slaves and oppressing women at every turn.
So we’re supposed to use… Reason. All that fuss… to exactly what purpose? So we can come back to relying on our common sense, our intuition, our conscience? And then have big fights over whether revelation or common sense should prevail! With one side insisting we should look at reality and whatever seems reasonable should be imposed upon the revelation (since revelation couldn’t be unreasonable, you know), and the other side arguing we can’t take it upon ourselves to decide what’s reasonable and have to take the text at its word.
Exactly what problems has Revelation solved? What kind of guidance has it provided that people hadn’t figured out long before God started corresponding with us? And how much harm has it done in trying to make our lives “easier”?
The modern Muslims who speak of reinterpreting scripture in the light of our modern values (why not just adopt the modern values and drop the unnecessary muddling factor of revelation?) speak of the limitations of the time and space in which God revealed His Word. They speak as if God was operating under constraints. They forget that God could have made things any way He wanted to, and then revealed something that would have stood the test of time without the need for all this complex reinterpretation. But He didn’t. I’m not willing to forgive such lack of imagination in such a supposedly exalted being.
The Koran and the Hadith are also very flawed as sources of law, or even as guidance, for the simplest human society, much less our complex modern societal structures. They fall apart at the least scrutiny – the edifice is built on ignorance, superstition, bad history and worse science. And most of all, the picture that revelation paints of our divine creator is very unpleasant and sounds like a patriarchal Middle-Eastern fellow into raping and killing and much intolerance. This holds for the Bible and the Koran. There is too much unpleasant talk of hell and eternal damnation, and this ignorant, controlling, jealous, merciless, petty, insecure God condemns me to hell for a sin I never even intended to commit: my apostasy.
I never set out to stop believing. When it happened, it was as much a surprise to me as it was to my parents. And I can’t go back – I can’t make myself believe in what I’m convinced are human lies. It’s not a matter of my will – so why should I burn for it? But this is apparently the unforgivable sin. How can there be sin without volition? A God who is that unjust, I cannot believe in.
And a religion that is as nonsensical and ludicrous as Islam plainly is, I cannot believe in.








Am waiting with baited breath!
Me too
This book might help you to speed up the writing of your monograph regarding your epistemological break from Islam.
“Why I Am Not a Muslim” (1995) by Ibn Warraq (a pen name).
Cheers,
middleXeas
Uh – this is about my reasons, not Ibn Warraq’s. And I don’t need to figure them out — just need a big enough space of time in which to write them.
I’ve read his book, but I left Islam long before I read any anti-Islamic screed.
I also wouldn’t use the word ‘epistemological’ in this context.
The drama of an individual human life is not one in which a preexisting goal is triumphantly reached or tragically not reached. Instead, to see one’s life as a dramatic narrative is to see it as a process of Nietzschean self-overcoming. The paradigm of such a narrative is the life of the genius, like yourself, who can say of the relevant portion of the past, “Thus I willed it,” because she has found a way to describe that past which the past never knew, and thereby found a self to be which her precursors never knew was possible.
keep keeping on, sister.
Cheers,
middleXeast
For once I shall be guided by my own rules, for of the rules of others I have scant regard, if any.
That I write in this box particular is for reason only that I have just finished reading what lies above, and as is my want I felt compelled to add a thought or two.
But thoughts are spent, and spent apently in paying homage to five worthies of my choice, for I join you now as a brother recipient as you are my sister in the receipt of Larry’s kindness.
No doubt we shall natter as is our want, but my want is great for the embrace of the feathers that beckon from my bed, an embrace hard to resist but never as hard as that of a beautiful woman that from seeing your likeness gives me little qualm in describing you so.
How lovely then for me to retire to that embrace having found one so lovely that I might finish this brief note by saying hello.
Mel
Himself. Thank you for your kind words. I love you. Larry and I BOTH love you.
Well apostate, you have left Islam thats good for you i guess, but why do you be critical of something that you openly dont like and have moved on …. isnt it better to move on with your life and forget about islam as you want to …or dont you want it? Secondly, please dont try to show this world that you left islam for the religion it is, u have left it cause u think the culture you were in is islam and you wanted more freedom, that can be seen with your half naked pictures…most of the people leave islam cause they cant follow the correct path and they want to mess around openly..besides the point i guess u should stop bothering about a religion which did not suit your lifestyle and move on with your life…. its very good for islam that people like you come up and make our faith stronger….. and i also want to invite u back to islam cause every apostate needs to be invited atleast once …if you ever think that you have done something wrong then come back cause Allah is most forgiving even forgiving thn your new beliefs…May Allah show you the right way take care….
great blog, apostate. please keep on telling us more about your feelings. how did your family feel about your leaving islam?
Eurodhimmi: They were NOT pleased. I still pretend with my mum that I haven’t entirely left, but because I’m married to a non-Muslim, she doesn’t really buy my lies. :)
Great blog. Sounds like my story. My mother and sisters got furious and stopped talking to me when I told them that Mohammed robbed for living and raped for excitement. After a while they accepted me back, but we never talk about islam. Do you read articles on faithfreedom.org? . I like Ali Sina’s articles and Ayesha Ahmed’s satires.
Thank you for sharing your story and for having the courage to tell others about your life.
I can relate to your story to some degree. I was brought up as a Roman Catholic, but left the Church because of growing skepticism about its teachings. Expecially its oppositiong to birth control and worse, attacking the use of condoms in the midst of an aids epedemic.
However, leaving Catholicim might be a bit easier for many people than to leave Islam.
My mom’s still a Catholic and its never created to many problems.
I haven’t rulled out some sort of “higher power”, but I think all of man’s religions have nothing to do with God(if he exists)
I think we can all relate to this to some extent right?
Your story sounds like a mirror-image of my deconversion to atheism. The only difference is that you left Islam and laughed at Koranic Science, while I left Christianity and laughed at Christian Science.
These religions are all the same foolishness. Its amazing that theists from different parts of the world have vastly different ideas about God, but atheists from different parts of the world have the exact same idea about God(lessness).
Atheism transcends culture in a way that religion never could dream of.
Great, great post. Huzzah, Kudos, and everything else…
I am so glad to have found your site! I “woke up” years ago as a child deciding that it was all a big joke but still had to play the game until I was grown but I’m still not strong enough to just come out and tell people that I cannot accept lies controlling my life! Very few people close to me know. But all that matters is that I know.
When I was very young and dragged off to church, especially at christmas and easter, it would make me very sad to see so many people willing to be blind and live accordingly.
Stay Vocal!
Spin Sycle, read Dawkins’ The God Delusion. It’s written for you.
Thanks for sharing your account. I had never thought about the mess that this “god” created by bringing different religions and letting them get corrupted. That was beautifully thought out and I appreciated reading it. And I agree with you that this “sophisticated” god is such a “ignorant, controlling, jealous, merciless, petty, insecure” looser. Would have been kind of scary if I was a believer.
Also, I really like your writing style.
Hi,
Apostate, U are as beatiful inside(in the heart) as in your appearance. Thanx for coming out so boldly in support of human rights and freedoms and against seventh century Arab savagery continuing to this day. Best.
Interesting. I was born Muslim as well and now.. I don’t consider myself much of one seeing as how I’m more of a Deist than anything else.
I’d like to know how your parents “dealt” with it though. My father is a fundamentalist. He’s a Salafi of sorts. I know if he were to find out about how I feel about Islam, well I’m pretty much thrown out of the house.
Anyway, keep fighting the good fight. You’re not alone.
Hi,
I’ve just read your post and, if don’t mind, with source mentioned and link to original version, I’d like to post your text on my webpage.
I left Catholicism under conditions similar to yours and after have been devoted and studied it for years.
If you need any references before allowing me to post it, pls, ask Abid Hussein for them.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Hythakar
Hythakar, post away. :)
Theboing, my parents know (although my dad tells me to lie to my mom to make her feel better because she’ll never be able to come to terms with it, so I lie to her). My dad seems to have made his peace with it. He’s a worldly guy, for all his fundamentalist wahabbi faith, and he is not unhappy with me while I’m doing well in the world. He appreciates worldly success. He forwards me religious stuff in emails sometimes, but doesn’t preach at me otherwise. We don’t discuss religion; the last time we talked, he made an offer that touched me. He had found a copy of the Koran in which I had scribbled my blasphemous comments and he offered to send me my copy of the desecrated Koran as well as a better translation than the one I had been using, and he said it might help me gain a better understanding of the text and maybe it was more the translation I was upset with and not the Koran itself. For some reason, the package never arrived (it’s been months; I’d accepted his offer), but it was a generous and gentle and enlightened way to speak of this sensitive stuff. And of course, I’ve read different translations and they don’t make much of a difference, but he was trying.
I have a feeling that he thinks that this is a phase I’m going through and that eventually I’ll return to Islam. I think he thinks I’ve gotten hold of mistaken notions but that the truth will eventually shine through. Amazingly enough, my marriage (to an atheist) doesn’t offend him much because he sees me as the sort of dominant woman who will be the lead in any relationship, so he seems to think (unlike my mother) that if I want to return to Islam, I’d likely drag my husband into the religion with me (needless to say, my husband and I are equals and neither domineeringly bullies the other into changing an opinion).
My mother of course thinks that my being married to an atheist makes it less likely that I can be a proper Muslim, since naturally, I must (as a woman) take my husband’s lead in all things.
Maybe the fact that I’m not having children and raising them as little godless heathens also comforts them. As it is, it’s just me going to hell, not their grandkids as well.
You’re lucky,apostate. My mom’s sister married a Hindu and has 3 kids. Her husband never converted and though she never renounced Islam, her husband is never allowed to our house. My parents even refer to him as “that man” and not as Kishu (which is his real name) and my dad even told us (his children) to look for muslim mates for her children to “bring them back to Islam”.
Your father certainly sounds like an understanding man. My father has been telling me that “satan dwells deep within me” because I haven’t prayed in years.
Your stories interest me too by the way because I’ve had similiar experiences. Especially your demon boy post. We have the same thing that happens in Malaysia and your husband’s explanation cleared it out for me.
Thanks Apostate and thanks for being brave. It means a lot for someone who hasn’t found the courage to speak out yet.
TheBoing, I’m glad. :) I hope you are soon in a position to be able to speak out. We all deserve to be able to live freely as we choose.
Note, though, that my dad was extremely angry and upset at first and I didn’t have the courage to be very open about my beliefs until I left home (although I did tell my parents three years before I left, out of the mistaken belief that they would realize the errors in Islam once I pointed them out). It’s taken time for my dad to cool down and get to this place. I think it also helps him to know that I’m not doing anything “immoral” with my life. If I weren’t married and didn’t have a respectable job, he’d be much less sanguine.
Good luck!
Nazia,
You wrote “My mother and sisters got furious and stopped talking to me when I told them that Mohammed robbed for living and raped for excitement.” That sounds like Bill Clinton, John F. Kennedy, Thomas Jefferson, and many other western leaders, but I bet you and apostate won’t be leaving the United States becasue of it.
Bill Clinton, John F. Kennedy, Thomas Jefferson and other western leaders rob for a living and rape for excitement? That’s a unique perspective.
Those aren’t my words (about Muhammad), but rest assured, RandallJones, if any Western leader started a religion, I wouldn’t be pledging allegiance to it. None of these western leaders ‘own’ the United States. The parallel you’re drawing with Muhammad is fundamentally flawed. I’m well within my rights to call Muhammad a murderer and a rapist (of a nine year old child) and therefore refuse to accept him as an exemplar of perfect morality and the founder of the One True Religion, while at the same time heartily disapproving of Bush and his administration and his personal morality. But you see, Bush is not the founder of a religion and I only have to reject him as a political leader….nowhere in the same league as Muhammad.
If I started to try to decide where to live based on the personal moralities of the leaders of those places (I guess I would have to take into account politicians at every level, even the district level), then I would have nowhere left to live. So I guess, by your reasoning, unless I do myself out of a domicile, I have no right to form a judgment about Muhammad?
apostate,
I did not say you did not have the right to form a judgement about Muhammad, I am just pointing out that there are Western leaders who do not lead an exemplary lifestyle. Often we think of MUhammed as a religious figure, but even without the Quaran, Muhammed was an important historical figure that should be mentioned in all World HIstory books. By the time of his death he had managed to unite the tribes of Arabia. They were later to create a vast empire which produced orignal works in science, literature, and art. This was to be picked up by the Europeans which formed the foundation of the European Renaissance.
Oh, by the way here is what an American has to say about Bill Clinton
http://prorev.com/legacy.htm
I got the link from this article which discusses Clinton’s Legacy around the world http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=840
Randall Jones has no idea of what he is talking about. Those who produced orignal works in science, literature, and art in the so-called golden era were not devout muslims nay not even muslims. They were apostates/atheists.I quote an eminent physician Abu Bakr. Mohd. Ibn Zakariya ar-Razi (841 AD to 926 AD) who said “These billygoats (prophets) pretend to come with a message from God, all the while exhausting themselves in spouting their lies, and imposing on the masses blind obedience to the ‘words of the master’.” I quote another intellectual Ab-al-Ala al-Maari (a Syrian) (973 AD to 1058 AD)
“ Mohammed or Messiah,
Hear Thou Me,
The Truth Entire
Neither here nor there can be
How should our God
Who made the sun and the moon
Give all the light to One,
I cannot see.”
I also quote the Persian poet Rumi(a product of this period) who said:
“From the Quran we picked the meat
For the donkeys left the shell to eat”
The intellectuals of era merely answered to Muslim names and were not muslims by faith. To make things easier-I say Taslima Nasrin-type muslims -muslims only in name. The scienitific advances claimed to be achieved by Islamic empire were merely discoveries of Greeks/Indians copied by these apostate intellectuals. When there was nothing more to copy the so-called golden era faded out. These intellectuals were tolerated until the advent of imam Gazali as Islamic empire was not economically well off
Randall Jones and all apologists of Islam must get certain facts straight. The main difference between Muhammad and other prophets(Buddha, Zarathushtra, Mahavira, Guru Nanak, Bah’ullah, Jesus Christ) was that the latter used “words” to spread their faith/concepts while Muhammad used the “sword”. Randall Jones has not read Islamic history at all. Immediately after Muhammad’s death, there was widespread apostacy. People were quitting Islam in large numbers in Arabia. It was a determined first Caliph of Islam “Abu Bakr” who by using the sword(like Muhammad) ensured that “Islam was saved”. Even today, no muslim can openly dare to renounce Islam for fear of death. Take the case of our own apostate.
I may also mention that other prophets like Buddha, Zarathushtra, Mahavira, Guru Nanak, Bah’ullah, Jesus Christ were no less historical facts than Muhammad. While the other prophets lived pure lives and spread the message of compassion and love and were people with no political ambitions, the same cannot be said about Muhammad. Muhammad’s last wish on his death bed was that only Islam should prevail in Arabia and no other religion should exist in Arabia.
None of the modern day political leaders mentioned by Randall Jones purport to be messengers of God. They are one amongst us. As Muhammad was a messenger of God, the onus is on him to lead an exemplary lifestyle. This is so as the Quran declares Muhammad an ideal example for believers (Muslims) to emulate.
annand,
No, you are the one who doesn’t know what your are talkning about. Many of the scientists, writers, and artists were Muslims.
Many of the Greek texts had wrong concepts and the Muslims had to correct them.
You are so quick to try to find a way to put me down, you contradict yourself. You say the scientists were apostates or Muslim by name only but then you say all they did was copy Greek and INdian texts. So that fact that they were really athiests did not help them to think of new scientific ideas?
If you want to learn about the contributions of Muslims see the website http://www.muslimheritage.com/
Yes, none of the modern day political leaders say they are messangers of god. But then does that make it alright that they engage in regime change and support brutal dictorships that do their bidding? They sell weapons that fuel wars and exploit the natural resouces of other countries. Western democracies don’t just do that in Muslm countries, they also do it in non-Muslim countries in Africa, Asia, and South America.
There are many people with causes who get death threats. Do you remember the outrage that Ameircans expressed when one of the members of the music band the Dixie Chicks said that she was ashamed of President Bush? The band received many death threats.
I have not contradicted myself at all.The fact that they were atheists helped them to have an open mind towards the scientific ideas put forth but Greeks and Indians which they accepted and copied. If they had been followers of Islam, they would not have been open to other ideas. Quran contains many statements contradictory to Science, reason and mathematics. So belief in Quarn/Islam would have sealed their minds through blind faith. I have no intention to put u down at all. All I did was to confront u with facts. This is the problem with Muslims. The moment someone confronts u with facts/arguments, u complain that the other wants to put u down. So u want a debate where only u speak and other person puts a tape on his mouth? U have not refuted my solid examples of Ar-razi, the Syrian and the Rumi. U have not refuted my points that Muhammed used the sword(rather than convincing the opponents by reasoning/debating with them) to propogate Islam. Thanx for accepting that Muhammed who called himself an apostle of God indulged in propogating his beliefs by sword.
I agree with u that if one does not call himself an Apostle of God that doesnot give him a license to do what he likes. But since he is a human, people do not approve of his conduct. Moreover, nobody is going to take him as an example for emulation. But an apostle of Allah is looked upon by people as worthy of emulation. It is not necessary that future American Presidents will take George Bush/Bill Clinton as a role model for emulation. But surely every ruler of Islamic country or every muslim looks upon Muhammad as a role model for emulation
Of Course, Mr. Bush has no right to effect a regime change in Iraq. But the point is Mr. Bush/Mr. Clinton(for all their failings) and the Americans are democrats. If I openly criticise the American policy, I do not run the risk of being killed by Bush/Clinton or any of their partymen or any americans. You are talking of death threats to dissenters in America? Those receiving death threats can seek necessary remedy through police and courts. Freedom of expression is a constitutional right in America. They can tolerate criticism. One can lobby against them, influence Americans to make policy changes and regime changes in their country. But did Muhammad tolerate criticism against him? He was the apostle of God. He should have set an example. He had ordered the assassination of a 120-year old poet for composing critical verses against him. Muhammad’s men killed him when he was asleep at night. He also ordered the killing of a lady who composed verses criticising him.
But by the way, did Muslims not effect regime changes? Did not the Muslims(the Caliphs of Islam) invade Persia/Syria and impose their rule on them? Did they not impose brutal dictatorships on Persia?Even today Persia has not recovered from the setback caused to them 1400 years ago by savage hoardes of muslims. Did not muslims invade India and cause untold destruction? Did they not cause a regime change in India? Did Pakistan not create Taliban and impose them on Afghans? Were they not brutal on Afghans?Did Saddam Hussein not invade Kuwait? What sort of double standards is this? If America or someone does it, it is wrong. But if muslims/ muslim countries do it, it is right?????
anand,
The matter of fact is tha Muslims had to correct Greek texts and they did create original works of science literature and art.
I do not challenge the notion that Muslims have invaded other countries. What I challenge is the impression that you and many others give that somehow Muslim invasions were any worse than any other religious or ethnic group’s invasion. Before the Muslims had invaded India, the Hindus had invaded India.
In your last paragraph why do you leave out that Saddam Hussein was helped into power by the United States and the US supported him financially and strategically when he was committing his worst atrocities? Saddam Hussein was a puppet of the United States, do you know he seeked the UNited States’ approval before he invaded Kuwait? The Iraqi people are paying the price of the UNited States actions. Here is an interesting video about the relaionship between Saddam and the United States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeY05iS5iv0&mode=related&search=
Saddam was a secular so he’s one of your people. THe Iraqis put Saddam Hussein on trial. When will America and other Western countries put their war criminals on trial?
Why do you leave out that the CIA recruited and trained Muslims to fight its proxy war against the Russians? Why didn’t all those who criticize Muslims, voulnteer to go fight the war instead of letting the Muslims do the dirty work. The Afghan-Russian war helped to bring about the collapse of the Soviet UNiton and made the UnIted States the number one superpower of the world. In the meantime, millions of Afghans died and the country had been ravaged and the U.S. didn’t try to help in reconstructing the country.
Why did you leave out that the United States had toppled the democratically elected government of Iran and installed the puppet Shah, who cracked down on democratic and secular opponents?
anand, you and many others try to paint this as a clash between Muslims and the West. The United States has not only committed miltary and political interventions in Muslim countries, they have also done it in non-Muslim countries in Africa, Asia and South Ameria.
Do you remember when Venezualan Presiden Hugo Chavez called President Bush the devil?
I had seen the website http://www.muslimheritage.com/ that u mentioned. This is what they say:
“The Muslims admired the Greeks for much of the rigour, beauty and organization they brought to the sciences. In particular, following from the Greeks, Muslim mathematicians understood the importance of founding their explorations on proof….”
“……It is therefore not surprising that Muslim scholars were drawn and enraptured by the mathematics that they inherited and subsequently developed from the civilizations they encountered-the Greek, the Indian and the Chinese. Islam generally discourages an obsession with the physical form. Rather than acting as a constraint, this unleashed the full creative faculty and imagination of the great scholars and scientists……..”
See http://muslimheritage.com/topics/default.cfm?ArticleID=540 .
It is clear that the achievements claimed to be by muslims are not because of Islam but inspite of Islam.
Thanks for providing me more ammunition by mentioning the website. I will now devour the site with relish and come back with even more fire power.
In an article entitled “Muslims and the West After September 11″ published in Washington Post, Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy had the following to say :
“Science flourished in the Golden Age of Islam because there was within Islam a strong rationalist tradition, carried on by a group of Muslim thinkers known as the Mutazilites. This tradition stressed human free will, strongly opposing the predestinarians who taught that everything was foreordained and that humans have no option but to surrender everything to Allah. While the Mutazilites held political power, knowledge grew. ”
Further:
“…in the twelfth century Muslim orthodoxy reawakened, spearheaded by the cleric Imam al-Ghazali. Al-Ghazali championed revelation over reason, predestination over free will. He refuted the possibility of relating cause to effect, teaching that man cannot know or predict what will happen; God alone can. He damned mathematics as against Islam, an intoxicant of the mind that weakened faith.
Islam choked in the vice like grip of orthodoxy. No longer, as during the reign of the dynamic caliph al-Mamun and the great Haroon al-Rashid, would Muslim, Christian, and Jewish scholars gather and work together in the royal courts. It was the end of tolerance, intellect, and science in the Muslim world. The last great Muslim thinker, Abd-al Rahman ibn Khaldun, belonged to the fourteenth century.”
The above writings of Pervez Hoodbhoy puts the whole thing in proper perspective. Please find out how many muslims have won Nobel Prize for science and of these how many were Arabs? The above writings of Pervez Hoodbhoy show that unless Islam is totally dismantled, muslims will not progress in the fields of science and humanity will not progress. For dismantling Islam, I certainly would not advovcate the “use of sword” formula of Muhammad but the “use of words” formula of Budhha, Adi Shankara, Jesus, Zarathushtra etc.
Islamic consciousness in muslim minds can be dormant for a while. During that time they might do something constructive as between 800 AD to 1500 AD. One does not know when it will erupt again.
Islam is a virus and Islamic fanaticism is an epidemic. One does not know when the virus will be dormant and when it will become active again. Decent people possessing Islamic faith have been aroused to do criminal acts in the name of Islam on a scale that even habitual notorious criminals will not do. Not all of these terrorists and Jehadis are criminals and historysheeters. Many of them are educated people. They become suicide bombers to secure the promised paradise with virgins. I appeal to all muslims to read the Quran not memorising it like a parrot but with a translation in the language they understand. When they so read it, it will become clearto them that Islam has dimmed their intellect and prevented them from achieving their tremendous constructive potential.
Islam is the enemy of democracy. It is the enemy of secularism. People in Pakistan are asking the question “Why India can have a proper functioning democracy from the first day of independence in 1947. while Pakistan cannot?” (SEE Dawn newspaper of Pakistan-www.dawn.com-articles by Ayaz Amir/Irfan Hussain). Irfan Hussein satirically comments
“PAKISTAN is a country replete with ironies. I don’t suppose many readers noticed that while informing us of the coup against the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the same issue of this newspaper carried a brief report about an official study called Vision 2030. This exercise in futurology predicted that Pakistan would be a ‘fully functioning democracy’ 23 years from now.
I don’t know about you, but I’m not holding my breath in the unlikely event that I’ll be alive then. Just in passing, I wonder if the earnest authors of this study paused to reflect on why it should take 83 years for democracy to take root in Pakistan when India, a neighbour that inherited the same institutions and laws that we did, should be a ‘fully functioning democracy’ from the day of its independence in 1947.”
All told Pakistanis are of Hindu ancestry. The finest minds which taught the world Yoga and Decimal system and Bhagvad Geeta are used to reasoning and Logic. It is that land in which Vedas were composed and Sikhism was founded. Questions have started being asked. Days of Islam are numbered. Islam will not withstand the intellectual rigour and questioning of Muslims in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh , Afghanistan and Iran. Muslims in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh , Afghanistan and Iran-these intellectual muslims will find out that Islam is the impediment to their progress and wil dump it in the dustbins of History. Arise the intellectual muslims of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh , Afghanistan and Iran and reclaim your Glory. Thumbs down to the land of Arabia for this poisonous contribution called Islam to humanity. Arabs should be ashamed and hang their heads down.
Bush may be a devil. But we do not see Americans blowing themselves up and claiming to do it in the name of the religion founded by Bush. We do see suicide ATTACKS by IRA/Tamils. But even these people do not claim to follow any religious/scriptural injunctions . The extemists of Islam claim to follow scriptural injunctions in doing so. So, tackling the Americans/IRA/Tamils of Sri Lanka is a politico-millitary problem. Through a combination of proper political trade-offs and millitary actiuon, the Tamil/IRA problem will be settled. But Jehad defies any solution as it is based on religious and scriptural injunctions.Islam is one religion will the Church and State cannot be separated. The line between politics and religion blurs.
Offering any political trade-offs will make Jehadis see weakness and they will intensify their attacks to achieve the Quranic goal of Dar-ul-Islam making entire humanity (muslims and non-muslims) their victims. As far as America facing music for its misadventures, I do not mind it. Nor do I see it as a clash between West and Islam. It is a clash between democratic and humanitarian values cherished by us and the negation of these values through a purportedly religious book-the Quran and teachings of the so-called Apostle of God. I am not worried about the few political leaders of today out to bake their political bread. I am concerned about the humanity which seems to be engulfed in a crisis now.
Have you forgotten that the United States collaborated with Muslim extremists? Now the people in Iraq and Afghanistan are paying the price for the United States’ actions.
President Bush has said that he was on a misson from God when he invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html
Yes. No question about that. America’s foreign policy stated as “They may be bastards but they are our bastards” is responsible for a lot of mess everywhere. There are very few takers for President Bush’s utterances about “mission of God.” Again I repeat. America is a constitutional democracy and not an Islamic Republic. The Americans have criticised Bush. Many of them are repenting why they voted such a President. Criticism of Bush is not a punishable offence under law of USA and is not punishable as blasphemy. But criticism of Muhammad/Islam/
Quran in an Islamic country is punishable as blasphemy.
So, back to my formula of “use of words” and “no use of sword”. We have to build public opinion in USA so that their public opinion prevents such misadventures in the present and future. Also, we must reach out to the vast majority of sane muslims and appeal to them to either ex-communicate Jehadis from Islam or they should leave Islam. This will enable us to achieve multiple goals on multiple fronts: (i) Curb mischief by America or any superpower for that matter; and (ii) Snatch away the excuse of “fight against terror” that is available to them on account of the Jehadis; (iii) Defang fundamentalists of non-islamic hues who become heroes in public eyes. That way we will make this earth a Paradise for us. I call upon the vast majority of all decent innocent muslims to choose what they want-Paradise of Earth here itself (which is a bird in hand) or the promised Paradise above (which is a bird in the bush)
anand,
You just want to rationalize the millions of deaths that the United States is responsible for in its military and political agression around the world. And because the United States is a democracy and the people have not stopped the killings, the people are just as responsible for it as well. Call on your people to stop your government’s mass killings and exploitation of other countrie’ natural resources.
The United States killed between 3 to 5 million in Vietnam and Cambodia. The United Staes is the number one seller of weapons to Africa that help to fuel conflicts there. Sometimes they sell weapons to both sides of a conflict. They did that in the Iran-Iraq war as well.
No. No rationalisation of anybody’s evil actions. Not at all. Evil by anybody is evil. You yourself has acknowledged that the actions of US is “military and political agression ” . I may add one more dimension to it “economic” i.e.”military, economic and political agression ” . The US do not kill in the lure of rewards in the Paradise above or out of scriptural sacnctions. You pointed out the Vietnam and Cambodia case. The people of US have seen “body bags et al” as much as the people of Vietnam. Their misguided political leadership brought about this calamity on them. Vietnam and Cambodia should have deterred USA and its people from embarking on foolhardy adventures particularly Iraq.
The USA’s millitary, political and economic aggression should be dealt with in a rational manner and not on a Jehadist basis. By invoking Quran what the muslims convey to USA? They hand it over to people like George Bush on a platter. George Bush was able to justify to his people that no matter what USA does or does not do, muslims will attack the US. I am not rationalising. Bush was able to rationalise thus to the people of USA. People of USA fearing for their safety endorsed him. Has callimg the US names like “Great Shaitan” helped??? These things enable people of Bush’s ilk to convince public that enemity of muslims towards USA IS NOT MILLITARY /POLITICAL /ECONOMIC
but religious duty. Just what did the 9/11 attacks achieve? Did those people working in the Twin towers have anything to do with George Bush? Many of them were not even US citizens. They were their to earn their daily bread. If the muslims wanted to fight, they should have dealt casualties to the US millitary.
And further, did USA fly in its planes all of a sudden and start bombing either Iraq or Afghanistan???. A war was declared and action commenced. Was any notice given by the perpetrators of the 9/11 attack/by the perpetrators of 1998 twin towers bombings to the world? What provocation did the people of twin towers give to the 9/11 perpetrators/the 1998 bombing perpetrators? What provocation did Persians give to the Caliphs of Arabia to attack them? What provocation did India give to the invading muslim hordes?Was any notice given or war declared by Muhammad on the various Jewish tribes???. The people of Banu Quraiza were taken unawares and were attacked when they were attending to their daily duties. They surrendered peacefully to Muhammad and what was done to them. All men who have attained puberty were slaughtered-900 of them in a day and their women ravished by muslims. I can expect US not to repeat what they did as they have no visceral hatred for anyone. They act more out of their interests. But muslims have visceral and indeological hatred for non-muslims.
Pray what Mahmud of Gazni do in Somnath Temple??? He was offered huge amount of gold to spare the temple. But he refused the gold and destroyed the temple and killed large number of innocent Hindu civilians. Why? All becuase one of the idols of three goddesses Al-manat which escaped from being destroyed by Muhammad found its way into the temple. I cannot expect muslims not to repeat all the evil that they have committed because the Quran says that Muhammad is their ideal and role-model. USA attacks for millitary/political/economic reasons. This has to be tackled in a different footing. Muslims attack to fulfil Quaranic injunctions and needs to be tackled in a different manner.
anand,
Muslims are not the only ones who invaded India , Persia and all the other places you mention. Why are you bringing up the ancient past is President Bush getting revenge for what the Muslims did in the ancient past? What about the genocide the Europeans comitted againt the native Ameircans, who will get revenge for them? In case you are not aware of it ,the Old Testement contains many stories of mass slaughters. What about all those other religions and ethinicities that invaded other peoples lands, will anynody be getting revenge for the past. WHy do you continue to portray this as Muslims agianst everyone else?
The different sects of Christianity where fighting amongst each other way before Islam came along.
In case you didn’t know it, there is a growing grass movement (many of the people are non-Muslims) that is questioning the official 9/11 investigation.
You are in denial of the mass destruction that the United States has done in Iraq and other countries. You keep on saying that Muslims are committing violence because the Quaran tells them to.
So if someome bombed your country (destroying homes and infrastrucure) and jailed thousands of people without justification you wouldn’t become violent?
You are really in denial of the damage the United States has done.
I am not rationalising violence at all. I repeat again. I believe in the “use of words” as epitomized by the noble traditional culture of Indian sub-continent and Iran and NOT the “use of sword” of the Arabs. “WORDS” not
“SWORD”.
You are rationalising violence against innocent civilians as freedom struggle. Indian freedom struggle, although largely non-violent, had a small violent component. But show me one single instance (just one instance) where the Indian revolutionaries like Chandrashekhar Azad , Bhagat Singh, Ashfaqullah Khan et al targetted any British /American civilians or women or children or hijack planes or ships or buses or explode anything in the London trains. They only targetted the repressive British Police Officers who opened fire at innocent unarmed protesters in Jalianwalla Bagh at Punjab. And mind u, neither Bhagat Singh nor Chandrashekhar Azad nor Mohammed Ali Jinnah nor Mahatma Gandhi nor any other leader quote any Sikh or Hindu or any other religious scriptures. Their one line was “You are foreigners. Get out of my country” Did you hear any Jehad calls against British even from the muslims in India????. They(Indians) all spoke in unison “You get out. You are foreigners. You are invaders. You are sitting on our soil”. That is all. No hatred for the Britishers. Just told them get out of our country.
No “Britain is the Great Shaitan” dialogues even by the muslims of India. Did the British commit ant less attrocities??? Did the British less exploit India??? Even then, no Jihad dialogues even by the muslims of India. Underline those words “even by the muslims of India”.
Do you forget “Frontier Gandhi” or Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan of NWFP in today’s Pakistan???? A tall strong well-built Pathan he was. He could have caught a couple of British soldiers and crushed them in his hands. But just what he and the Pathans of the NWFP do? They followed Mahatma Gandhi, the apostle of non-violence. “Words” not “Sword” was their motto. They drew heavily from Indian culture and the spiritual traditions of the sub-continent. Were frontier Gandhi and his followers not Muslims???. If India had adopted any of the tactics of these Jehadis, India would still be under foreign rule if not the British under the American rule or the UN supervision.
Randall, teach me not what is freedom struggle. Teach me not that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Freedom fighters nurse hatred towards none-underline these words. Even their violence has a limited compass. They do not take people hostages. They do not hijack planes. They do not kill innocent civilians. They have the limited agenda of expelling the invaders out of their soil. That done, no hatred. No continuing hostililities against the erstwhile masters. No Jehad or anything like that against them. That is why Indians gained the sympathy and empathy of the civilised world (including USA) against the British.
Why the USA did not try to perpetuate British Rule in India or undermine democracy in India? They have seen what Indians did to the British invaders. . No hatred. Non-violence the mainstay. Judicious small doses of violence at perpetrators of violence and not at innocents including women and children. No hostage taking. Repeat again and again “You are foreigners and invaders. Get the hell out of here)”. Face their batons. Face their bullets. Do all these until they get the hell out. Once they do that, no hostilities and no hatred. Period. Indians would never give the handle to US to beat them with the way muslims do. Indians draw on the rich cultural tradition of Krishna, Mahavira, Buddha, Adi Shankara, the Sikh Gurus culminating into Mirza Ghalib and Allama Iqbal.
They have seen what Indians did to Indira Gandhi who tried to become a dictator. Did anyone including Indian muslims talk Quran and Jihad to unseat her???????No Jehad. No scriptures. Then when she reformed herself, the Indians magnanimously voted her back to power.
I desire the welfare of muslims and the entire humanity. I ask muslims to abandon Jehad as the language,. Abandon violence against innocent civilians. Abandon hatred. Violence, perhaps but properly directed at the perpetrators. Hate talk, Jehad etc. NO!!!!No!!!!No!!!!!No!!!!!! Talk properly.
Why would I support someone who does Jehad against US? What assurance that the Jehadis will not turn against me tommorrow???? Think!!!! Think!!!! Don’t simply rant and ramble and shout and argue. Think!!!! Contemplate!!!! Meditate!!!!!!!
Randall, Don’t tell me anything against Christian scriptures. Christians have jettisoned and rejected negative parts of their scriptures. Remember Rumi who said take the meat from Quran and leave the rest for donkeys to eat. Christians have done so and witness their progress. In the last 1500 years, christians and jews progressed and muslims declined. Why??? The have already applied the “meat” and “donkey to eat” formula of Rumi( a persian not Arab) while Muslims haven’t.
Randall, I don’t mind if anyone believes in a stone as long as he is not going to pick it up and hit me with it . Let each faith believe in fairy tales if that comforts them.It is not for me to criticize. But if any religious scriptures divide the humanity and incite hatred against humanity and the followers are going to act on it, I will definitely criticise it.
Think randall. Think. Hindus and Muslims lived as neighbours in the sub-continent for centuries. The Hindus and Muslims treated each others kids their own and showered love and affection on them. Then what happened in 1947??? Demand for partition by muslims. They observed the direct action day. Many of those in the violent muslim mobs which attacked their Hindus and Sikh neigbours in Lahore, NFWFP etc. may not have so much as killed a fly in the past. Surely, they were not historysheeters and criminals. Jehad was called for against kafirs. You mean to say that the entire mob consisted of those with a habitual criminal record??? nO RANDALL. NO. A decent man can behave otherwise when intoxicated. That is what Quaran does to muslims. It intoxicates them and dims their thinking. Only yesterday they would have exchanged a joke or sipped tea oe had a pan together with their Hindu neigbour and today morning he is at my door with a sword??? So If a say a perfectly decent muslim commits violence becuase of quaran having no other political or millitary or economic motive, what else do I say??? Take away Quaran and Jehad and I tell u Muslims have all the same good and bad qualities as non-muslims as we are humans.
My ultimate aim is to awaken the intellectual muslims of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Iran and form a formidable front against two imperialists-tHE US and the Arabs.
“So if someome bombed your country (destroying homes and infrastrucure) and jailed thousands of people without justification you wouldn’t become violent?” Randall Jones asks. I have already rebutted him by showing how freedom struggle and terrorism differs. I am well supported by what Irfan Husain writes in Dawn newspaper and I quote:
“What drives a person to strap a bomb to his waist and kill himself, as well as strangers who have not harmed him in any way? Where foreign occupation is concerned, and there are few weapons available to confront the enemy, it is understandable when the oppressed take up this extreme means of resistance. But even here, it is not justifiable to target innocent civilians”.
Futher, the nature of Jehadi terrorism has been brought out by the same author which is an eye-opener:
“A couple of years ago, a Karachi monthly magazine ran a cover story on the terrorism in Kashmir. One fighter was asked what he would do if a political resolution was found for the disputed valley. Revealingly, he replied that he would not lay down his gun, but turn it on the Pakistani leadership, with the aim of installing an Islamic government there”.
So much for the so-called “freedom fighters”.
It is heartening to see such intense soul-searching in Pakistan.
Hi, I just spent an hour reading through your blog. Very interesting, considering our similar backgrounds (Pakistani-American women in mid-20s in the legal profession) and yet opposing viewpoints on religion. Even as a practicing Muslim, I respect your choices, and have close family members whom I love dearly who think similarly.
Something strikes me as I read through your experience at Hajj and your thoughts after finishing that short book on religion – your choice to leave Islam seems to be based on a “feeling”. You say “had a sudden conviction pop into [your] head” at hajj, and ” had an epiphany about Islam” after reading that book. I’ve had similar feelings, conviction, epiphanies, that make me believe that there is a God. I believe neither belief nor disbelief in God can be rationalized.
Anyway, if I had time enough, I would write a whole lot more, but just thought I would stop by to say your blog provided interesting food for thought.
Hey, Muse, thanks for the comment.
It’s strange that you got the impression that it was a ‘feeling’ that led me away from Islam. Perhaps it could be interpreted so — the fact of the matter is, my soul (so to speak) was ripe and fertile ground for rationalist thoughts to take seed. The epiphany might have been more in suddenly realizing my own natural rationalistic bent, rather than being the inchoate cause of leaving Islam.
Because the real reasons I left Islam are articulated here and elsewhere: The religion just doesn’t make sense to a rational mind. But, to each his own, and I quite realize people have ‘experiences’ with the spiritual that they choose to interpret in certain ways.
anand,
Speaking of freedom fighters, do you know after the revolutionary war , many Americans wanted George Washington to become king? So were those who revolted against King George terrorists?
What you have written doen’t explain why while the United States and other Western democracies preach human rights and democracy, they go around engaging in regime change and supporting brutal dictaorships that do their bidding. This is not only done in the Muslim world. It is done in many non-Muslim couintries in Africa, South America and Asia.
anand wrote “My ultimate aim is to awaken the intellectual muslims of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Iran and form a formidable front against two imperialists-tHE US and the Arabs.”
While you are at it, learn about the atrocities and barbaric pracitices committed by non-Muslims in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Iran.
“And I can’t go back – I can’t make myself believe in what I’m convinced are human lies.”
Therein lies the “pitfall” of a rational mind getting education.
You can face the cold bleak winds of reason and rationality, or you can bask in the comforting warmth of faith.
You cannot do both.
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Apostates are hardly viewed positively in any society. The burden of social ostracization and isolation is intense for those apostates who come from Muslim society. Therefore, it takes real courage for a Muslim woman to denounce her faith and embrace the path of humanism & rationalism.
Congrats and salute to you,
Jahed Ahmed
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I just feel sorry for the people who really don’t have enough education to believe what is the true way. Just think of yourself at the time of death ( for every human must die) it will be too late to believe at that time fot that is when eternity will start.
Do you really think that you are not accounatable for your actions even if you infringe upon others rights. A person killing 10 people and a person living peacefully will have the same death? When is this murderer to be held accountable, for no human is perfect enough to find out who has done wrong and who has not. There must be a power or deity who is in control and who will hold accountable the wrong doers. And that power is ALLAH no matter if you believe or not.
i have to admit for a long time I didn’t want to read the Quran because what little I read was frightening. I’ve put that aside now and am giving it a good go. Must say I agree with Apostate in that it is highly repetitive and extremely interested in Mohammed’s sex life. I mean to the point that it is incredibly suspicious – so much so that the only thing that could possibly make sense is he wrote it himself. Otherwise one is worshipping a very strange ‘god’: and also – why all these ‘memos’ sent to the Desert? The more i read, also the more it sounds like a manual of statescraft, a handbook for war.
I was directed to this page from faithfreedom…..I have spend 6 long and agonizing years before, finally quitting Islam. Am from India and a technocrat specializing in hydro power project management. We had a small stone in the family which the eldest son is supposed to preserve and hand over to the next generation. Curiocity about this very important stone in a north Indian staunch Sunni family, made me and one of my cousins to explore. The stone belonged to a brahmin family from South India, from a village that was attacked and looted by a moghul war lord. A 12-15 year girl was raped and taken away to north India to be a part of the harrem maintained by this warlord…..this was my familiy’s introduction to Islam. I learnt this truth, after peacing together documents from Rameshwaram, a Hindu pilgrimage center in South India. No. Am not angry with that helpless girl that could not end her life before being raped.
This knowledge gave me a new vision to understand the koran that I was reciting from age 10. A single hole in the whole story was enough to drive me away from it. I left Islam, along with a cousin and my elder sister. Was beaten up mercilessly by my maternal uncle and his sons. I cant risk the lives of my son and daughter..so keep changing locations like a nomad and not making real life Muslim friends…. me and wife keep our Muslim names….my son and daughter already use their Hindu names. I am trying to put the record straight at least when I leave this world.
All religions were created by men. The fact of the matter as we know, understand and sense is that religious books were written by men. For the fear of unknown, we created a buddy-God. Why are you guys arguing about christianity v/s islam v/s hinduism v/s judaism v/s others…they are all bullcrap to most of the extent, exploited by fanatics.
For what is not known, nobody wants to synergize. The current superpower nations have no desire to work with developing nations to help fellow humans (but hey, there religion is great…!!!) to go out in space, venture to far planets and systems to know a little more. There is so much unknown today and for what little is know is more then one human life (our progress of billions of years). It takes 30 years to get a pHd or medical doctrate and another 30 years to recoup the money making and life is almost over. Over this life cycle, nobody cares to venture based on what the humans know (for fact), sense and feel. We all feel wind, electricty, rain, taste salt similar undisputedly. Science is based on these knowns trying to explore, which is being sidelined by religious zealots.
damn all these religious hardlines and synergize to explore the unknown for next million billion years to evolve faster to appreciate more known better and maybe in this quest, God or end of universe or what is this all about, we may know a little better.
Till then (synergy building)….let’s join hands to end the bigotry. We the human beings are nothing but recycled carbon, per current standards…keeping Allah, Jesus, Judith, Ram and their associated problems away for a while.
Felt I had to leave some encouraging and admiring comments here. It was a pleasure to find your site. Your site is unique to the best of my knowledge. “Apostate” sites are still fairly thin on the ground, but those written by a woman, who even states her identity and location, and explains at length and very eloquently why she left Islam, are even rarer. In short, it is an act of considerable courage and clarity of vision to do what you have done/are doing. But it is very encouraging, may there be many more like you – especially ladies (for, as we know, Islam is particular unkind to the fairer sex) – in the future. As yet, you are a bit like a shining beacon in a desert of darkness, despair and falsehood, but hopefully the example you have set will become commonplace. You write extremely well, and thereby defy another notion one currently holds about Islam – including some ex-Muslims as well – that most Muslims are semi-literate (especially!), narrow-minded and ignorant of the world outside the Koran and Hadith. But perhaps we have there the very reason – or the most important one – for your apostasy: you are clearly smart and can think for yourself.
The icing on the cake, as if one were needed, is to be confronted by a photo of a beautiful young lady in a bikini top, who looks very much at ease with herself and the world. Free from bondage. Love it!
Islam is peace:
Concerning other monotheist religions:
Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma’rûf and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaqûn .(3:113-115)
And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. ‘(3:199)’
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . 2:62
Say (O Muhammad ): “O people of the Scripture : Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides God. 3:64
Concerning freedom:
2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.
16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).
6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them.
4:79 80 (Say to everyone of them,) ‘Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have (O Prophet) sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper.”
11:28 (Noah to his people) He (Noah) said “O my people! think over it! If 1 act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?°
17:53, 54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe …. Hence, We have not sent you (Unto men O Prophet) with power to determine their Faith.
21:107 to 109 (O Prophet?) ‘We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:” Declare, “Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?’ But if they turn away then say, “I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour (of Judgment) is near or far.”
22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites (of prayer) which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord (since that is the main objective of religion). You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, (then say,) `God best knows (the value of) what you do.”
88:21 22; also see 24:54 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.
48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the (task of spreading) Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every (false) religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.
36:16 17 (Three Messengers to their people)Said (the Messengers), “Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.’
39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.
42:6 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ….
64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.
67:25 26 And they ask, “When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?” Say, “The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner.”
Meanwhile concerning justice:
[O you who believe! Stand out for justice, as witnesses to Allah, and even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor.] (An-Nisaa’ 4:134)
[O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety and fear Allah, for Allah is well acquainted with all that you do.] (Al-Ma’idah 5:8)
[And thus We (Allah) made of you (O Muslims) a justly balanced community that you might bear witness (to the truth) to humankind and the Apostle might bear witness over you.] (Al-Baqarah 2:143
Concerning propagation:
[Invite (all humankind) to the path of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation and argue with them in the most kindly manner, for, indeed, your Lord knows best as to who strays from His path, and best who are the right-guided.] (An-Nahl 16:125)
[Had your Lord so willed, all those who live on earth would surely have attained faith, will you then compel people, against their will, to believe?] (Yunus 10:99)
[And (thus, O Muhammad), We have not sent you, but as mercy to all the worlds.] (Al-Anbiyaa’ 21:107)
Concerning who we fight or don’t:
[As for such (non-Muslims) who do not fight you on account of (your) faith, or drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness (also love and respect) and to deal with them with equity, for God loves those who act equitably. God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of (your) faith and drive you forth from your homelands or aid (others) in driving you forth. As for those from among you who turn towards them for alliance, it is they who are wrongdoers.] (Al-Mumtahanah 60:8-9)
[Permission (to fight) is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged, and verily, God has indeed the power to aid them. Those who have been driven from their homelands in defiance of right for no other reason than their saying, ‘Our Lord is Allah.’] (Al-Hajj 22:39-40)
mohamed,
I see you located the cut and paste function.
Just a side note: perhaps God constrained himself in the creation of reality. Keep up the inspiring work!
ratherdashing // Aug 4th 2007 at 6:43 am
mohamed,
I see you located the cut and paste function. End
Yes ratherdashing its called the Koran.
25.30. Then the Messenger will say: “O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur’an for just foolish nonsense.”
25.31. Thus have We made for every prophet an enemy among the sinners: but enough is thy Lord to guide and to help.
25.32. Those who reject Faith say: “Why is not the Qur’an revealed to him all at once? Thus , that We may strengthen thy heart thereby, and We have rehearsed it to thee in slow, well-arranged stages, gradually.
25.33. And no question do they bring to thee but We reveal to thee the truth and the best explanation (thereof).
Islam is peace
Yours is a fascinating blog and this is a fascinating account.
Tenderhooligan, thank you! I checked out yours and you sound like my favorite kind of person: intelligent and a woman!
Why thank you. :) I do feel that I am both, yes. Well, I know for sure that I’m a woman. :)
I’ve added you to my blogroll etc.
your dating other guys, your telling me lie. Ulf Raharjo.
Wow. I don’t know a lot about the Koran, but if you just changed a few details you could have just as easily been talking about the Bible. So I can definately connect with what you are saying.
Apostate… I just came across this site by accident. Now, after reading your story, I must tell you that I am very touched by it. It must have taken a lot of courage to do what you have done. ..and yet, you persevered.
I believe we all wish we knew the truth, but, how many of us really stop to ask ourselves the tough questions, as you have done, when it is so much easier to go along with the status quo. Most especially when it’s your own family’s status quo?
I read this, and I see you as a blazing light in the darkness, and I wish you well! As for me, (FYI) I’m a believer in a merciful, loving, just and forgiving God, and I only tell you that so that you can know that I will keep you and your family in my prayers, always. I mean it.
I’m sorry sister that you have left Islam. Maybe one day you will be find your way back to the path of God. Just look around you and even at yourself and you will truly see some amazing superior being created this world and you. In the meantime good luck enjoying these short life luxuries because they will not last forever.
Muslimah, I would not want them to last forever. Life is way too long as it is, and far be it from me — unlike you, presumably — to desire eternity in any way, shape or form.
Having stumbled by pure chance on your blog, I too want to thank you for your story. Your epiphany that billions pray, and sacrifice, and die (or kill) for a self-propagating delusion were particularly poignant.
I was raised Roman Catholic … rather imperfectly in the Bible Belt. My mother is religious; my father was one of those infamous “lapsed Catholics”: flouting the rules but still, at heart, believing them. I went to Catholic schools all twelve years, and became an alter boy … but still it seemed empty ritual. When my Jesuit religion teacher actually explained what I was supposed to believe, I realized I simply couldn’t. I simply cannot paper over logically inconsistent statements with “it’s a mystery”.
As I get older, my initial rebellion on intellectual grounds almost seems quaint; the more I learn of its world and its past and present tragedies, the more glib the phrase “The Problem of Evil” sounds. Yes, of course God is just, loving, merciful, and wise … there’s just this tiny problem of billions of people suffering and dying, quite often in one or more of God’s names, for no real good reason except they weren’t born rich, white Protestants (or obscenely rich sheiks, or any other power elite). Just one minor detail.
My experience may not at all be comparable to yours; I can’t imagine growing up in a country where everyone believed the same, and not professing that belief would have dire consequences. Maybe I’m one more voice telling you you’re not alone, or maybe I’m just blathering because it’s late. It’s your call.
ASTAGFIRULLAH PEOPLE!I DO HOPE THAT YOU PEOPLE COME TO UR SENSES QUICK STYLE. i AINT A GREAT MUSLIM BUT I WOULD NEVA DIS MY RELIGION LIKE THAT! INSHALLAH YOU PRAY FOR FORGIVNESS AND ALLAH FORGIVES YOU!
Perhaps God is not something to “believe” in.
I disbelieved in Love, till I experienced it.
You’re young yet. I was a philosophy-loving Pakistani atheist, disbeliever in Islam between the ages of 20-30.
7 years ago I experienced God very strongly.
Believe in what you want, but please don’t close your mind, and, there is enough anger in the world today.
Unwise people have hurt you, not God or religion.
I apologize if this offends.
Peace.
GreenSufi.
i think the inherent sexism within the culture is enough to make me revolted. it’s disgusting the way that part of the world treats their women.
not to mention that religion itself is by nature, a totally idiotic crutch that you really *have* to be brainwashed into to really feel the full, faithfull, effect of.
theists are weak souled people.
Thank you for your words Apostate. Many of us have felt the same compulsion to reason in the face of the pressure to conform. Our stories are similar in that we could not sit back and blindly follow what others told us to believe. Thanks to all for the interesting discussion. I sincerely hope that humanity will be able to throw off religion one day and feel free to seek God in their own and individual ways.
My conviction was not to abandon belief in God. Contrary to it, instead I chose to explore what God must be on my own. Unlike those seeking power or fame it is a personal belief that requires me to respect those that choose to follow their own instinct and path. Religion of any shape or form is motivated by human inadequacies. Created by frail human thought and motivated by the worst qualities people can muster.
I can never understand God and could never presume to know it’s will. Nobody can. Remember the “Golden Rule”.That is all the religion anyone needs.
Hi apostate,
I find it intriguing to see how antagonistic your story is compared to my story of how I reverted to Islam. (http://www.islamicboard.com/userpage.php?userid=397).
If you ask me though, there’s one silver lining throughout both stories. I the end of the day, Islam is a faith. You either believe it or you don’t. When I read a translation of the Qur’an I started to believe even though I was a convinced atheist and only read it to reaffirm my atheism and debate muslim friends. Whereas you felt compelled to believe it was manmade even though you believed while you read it and probably read it with the intention to reaffirm your belief. So far I have not seen a single argument against Islam hold strong, on the other hand I must admit the same for so called “proofs” of Islam. It is a faith. You believe in it or you don’t. I’m quite convinced that if you were to put your heart in it you’d be amazed how many of your arguments against Islam you would be able to tackle for yourself. According to creed, life’s supposed to be a test, so giving clear cut proof would kind of defeat the purpose.
-I wish you the best
Maybe I should add this to my previous post, what I meant to say with the comparison of our two stories; The Qur’an leaves room for interpretation, I guess the mind interprets it in the way the heart wants it to be. For example when your heart is struggling over the many problems Islam is facing nowadays especially related to women, it’s only natural to seek out the negative interpretation, your heart practically asks for it. In Dutch we have this expression that translates to: “Throwing away the child along with the bathwater.” There are indeed serious problems with the Islamic society and especially in the treatment to women. That doesn’t mean Islam itself is false. I invite you to Islamicboard to present and debate any argument that would “obstruct” you from believing. I’d think you’ll see there is no obstruction unless one wants there to be. Now as I to have swapped paradigms I obviously realize that my views are equally circular as yours, and that you could repeat all the things I said to you, to me, in an opposite manner. I just think you shouldn’t see things this black and white and portrait all Muslims in the way you did just because you apostated. I could be wrong, but I get the impression you have this view of Muslims being brainwashed and being simple-minded. But many people have considered the same things you have considered, yet still believe despite of it.
-Still wishing you the best
ps: I probably won’t come back to this page to check for reply’s. So if you want to flame me you have carte blanche :) But if you want to ask anything drop me a mail instead or visit the forum.
according to me islam is best best best………………………………………………………….
religion in world
its laws are best best best………………………………………………………….
in this world
its daawah, the strongest challenge of the world
any 1 joint islam is lucky in this world and after the world
allah hu akber
allah is greatest obviously
Wow, This is EXACTLY how I felt about it, although I am actually an apostate from two religions… Christianity AND Islam. I converted to Islam, then found found out the truth… Living a life in fear, is no life. I would rather love my dog, love people of different religions, and not harm another living being no matter what even if it means going to hell for it…
GREAT POST!!!!
If I thought for an instant that the god you do not believe in was the only way to think about God, I’d be an athiest as well. There was a long time when I was a sort of agnostic. But there was an experience of Presence, many many years ago, which I cannot escape. So I tell you that I don’t believe in God. I know that God is real. But God is not a being. If god is a being among beings, it is not god at all, but an idol and a fantasy.
Keep it up. God is not served by people who believe in idols.
To my belief, religion is a personal thing and you can’t force others to accept your religion. If we study history, we found that all religions (old and new) are man-made where they created social order and hierarchial system in the society so that they (religious people) can control the masses (people). Then they created holy books (like Torah, Bible, Koran, Veda, etc) which they claimed the words of God. That’s why one religion tries to outdo other religions or within one religion, there are many sects due to different interpretations of the religious teachings. Islam is the worst religion because if you become Muslim, you cannot escape from it. If you become apostate, the penalty is death. Why human beings carry out the punishment and not God! Because their God is not exist. We study many religious wars throughout human history and many millions were perished. The truth is that, these religious people want to dominate as many people and regions as possible so that they can live comfortably, cosy and doing nothing except pray to their God. As to my belief, there is a God (no name and beyond comprehension). If we can think and describe about God’s existence, it is not God. Why I believe there is a God because nothing exists by itself and there must be a creator. The creater we called God does not control human beings alone, because everything belongs to him. He does not need our prayer or other religious obligations because he is beyong thinking (comprehension). I am a freethinker because after I studied all religions (ancient and new) and human beings up to doctorate level, I found that no religion can claim it come from God. Why God needs religions and his assistants (called saviour, prophets, angels, etc)!
The point of creation was to see ourself from an outside perspective, since an eye cannot see itself.
The cosmic irony is that we had to forget who we were…in order to find out who we are.
And that is why there’s a constant struggle between revelation (revealing our true creator self) and forgetting who we are (so we can serve as outside witnesses) – because when you transcend this paradigm both dualities are actually guided towards the SAME PURPOSE. To know thyself in all “God’s” glory.
Awesome! beautifully written! If I hadn’t left Islam a few years ago, this would have gotten me thinking!
Well,
learning from your plight, my experience of islam is very much differs with you sister. For your desires to be freed and get freedom will never stop and islam should not be the victim of your misdemeanour.
Islam teachs us moral values ,hygiene and it actully kill those with corrupted minds and put them in true perspective of reality they lived in. Naturally the creator knows what he creates and certainly he knows how to rule what he had created.
Human being is his most highly intellectually created of beings of all His creation and that the angel are far less develop than us.
We are gifted with the intellectual ability to think beyong and afar but we failed to think what, how and why we have to breathe the air, see with our Hearts! , smell with the Eyes!, hear with of tonge!
No sister I’m not jesting. Just imaging the order that ALLAH has gifted to senses, and yet you still failed to hear HIM.
The word “god” , the degree is not equal to ALLAH.
ALLAH is THE name, is behold in all his creation. Remember when you conduct yourself
in honest and sincerity. You have Allah guiding you in your journey.
So talk and pray to him, he knows how to guide you ,if and only if you are “dearly” sincere. For your akhirat is in hand.
But if He destine you to be an unbeliever than no measure of gold in this world can bring you back. We work hard but Setan works that much more harder.
But remember His compassion overcome his anger, the world mould us into what we are . Quran can more helpful to you in the like of goodness and doing good.
Dont incriminate Muhammad, he is far sighted. We!, failed to come close to him.Not even a millimeter.
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Peace be upon you all,
Maybe I’m not an excellent Muslim maybe I’m not even good.. But deep inside me I know that Islam is the answer of every issue for today tomorrow and yesterday and that is why Quran is a miracle
I want to say that I do have many close friends that have other religion beliefs, but I have never tried to offend them or criticize them I only hope that they will once find the way to Islam because I believe that whenever I come back to Islam in any issue I feel peace of mind…
This is my first time to write on any website… And the reason I’m writing is to let you know that I love and respect Islam and you really offended me talking like this about it, and the way you are talking not respecting me and many others just gives me a bright green light to criticize you in a very very harsh way.. I’m sorry to tell you that I do not respect you either nor what you’re calming, so you’d rather not fill others minds with things you no nothing about.
and if anyone want to reply on what i said please send me an e-mail since i wont be comming here again its a shame that i’m getting insullted under the name of human rights and freedom..
noor_almasri@hotmail.com
Wow.
This is fabulous:
“They fall apart at the least scrutiny – the edifice is built on ignorance, superstition, bad history and worse science. And most of all, the picture that revelation paints of our divine creator is very unpleasant and sounds like a patriarchal Middle-Eastern fellow into raping and killing and much intolerance. This holds for the Bible and the Koran. There is too much unpleasant talk of hell and eternal damnation, and this ignorant, controlling, jealous, merciless, petty, insecure God condemns me to hell for a sin I never even intended to commit: my apostasy.
I never set out to stop believing. When it happened, it was as much a surprise to me as it was to my parents. And I can’t go back – I can’t make myself believe in what I’m convinced are human lies. It’s not a matter of my will – so why should I burn for it? But this is apparently the unforgivable sin. How can there be sin without volition? A God who is that unjust, I cannot believe in.”
I was hoping you would throw in at least some criticism of the Bible. I tried to read it a couple of times but all those “begat” passages get really boring.
@Fahad: You said: “i want to invite u back to islam cause every apostate needs to be invited atleast once”
Yes Fahad, invite an apostate once, because after you invite an apostate once, he/she has 72 hours to accept your invitation and then you have the duty to kill ‘him’ or confine ‘her’ till Death claims her.
Randall Jones: How do you expect us to know which Greek text did they corrected when they burned the books they worked on. Hundreds of Thousands of books.
For 1000 years there had been no advancement and no inventions coming from the islamic world. Whatever discoveries they made in the early islam was the impetus they gained from successfully pillaging their neighbors.
Once the impetus of conquests subsided, we got the taste of islam in its full glory (ignorance, hate & fear) for 1000 years.
The above comments may be summarised in one simple question. Is there a God?
Its like the air we breath in. We know its there but we can’t see it nor touch it.
The same anology applies to God. We can’t see God but we know He exists.
These are my reasons for saying so.
I would not go so far but suffice that we examine the human body, the brain functions and how the heart works it way pumping blood and oxygen and especially the human DNA; are all so complex and very meticulously engineered that makes me question myself: How it is possible that we exists in this complex form without being invented at the first place? Who invented humans?
For these queations, I have to disagree with the learned Mr. Darwin’s theory of evolution and the learned Mr. Hawking’s theory of the big bang.
Our capacity to think and reason with logic is somewhat limited. If logic is the very foundation of every belief, then what is the logic of the earth that we live on, spinning on its own and orbiting the sun without fail?
How is it that all the planets that are within our knowledge of their existence, are positioned at their designated places and do not collide at each other and left suspending in the vast empty area we all know as space.
Having all those questions, I hereby conclude that there is not a single proof or evidence to negate the existance of God.
There is a God and I therefore concur with the Quran, Bible, Torah and Psalms.
thats what u get for believing in historical writings…be creative create your own religion and blog about it…
Why blog about what was written thousand of years ago?
If many agree with u then u r the new prophet…
I left Christianity not quite a year ago, and it’s amazing how much I can relate to what you wrote. I went through a lot of the same steps and epiphanies. What you wrote about seeing all those people and feeling that God wasn’t listening was touching; for me it happened when I was all alone in my room. I look forward to reading your blog more! Found you through Feministing, by the way.
nunya – my blog has an abridged list of crappy Bible passages, if you’re interested.
hi i am sorry for you to left islam but is leis for some one how call is name a muslim and canges to unbelive i will dead in the name of allah one allah .unbelive sorry to you i as muslim allah is my lord islam is my life al quran is my guide the sunnah is my spirit righteousness is my character, paradise is my gaols.
You have your reasons. I thought of these thing all the time. Yes I doubted God. Sometime I said to my self I should be an atheist. But these feeling didnot last long.
I bleive in God. But you shouldn’t. You can’t force yourself to have a religion. You do look at the facts don’t you? If you don’t belive in God thats fine but believe in science. That’s real!
I got back to religion because of science. The thing is we human have an ability to think introspectivly. That is why we have these issues. That was the bet between God and Satan. Satan thought he can make us belive in the false god or no god. God thought otherwise. What I am trying to say is you believed in the Quranic Sciene once, now look into sciece. Study the universe specially the space. And if you have the feeling that all this can not become what it is. There are so many things to go wrong in this universe then why dont they? Why aren’t we extint yet? You might just see there is a God.
The system is so perfect. I am a computer scientist. I see everything objectivity. I don’t see anything happening without a reason. Logical reasoning can change my views. When I see the world I ask how it was created? Scientist say from matter. Where did it came from? Scientist would say they don’t know yet. Then Muslims say Allah created it. Who created him? He is from “forever”, will stay “forever”. How is that? I see everything to be made from something. So a reason came from inside of me. Physics apply to us human. The same way if I create a video game the rule will apply to all my video game characters. The rules of the game won’t apply to me. So time and space don’t apply to God. Physical Existance is not neccessay for God. We don’t know how God is because we cannot look beyond our system, the Universe. And that is exactly what Quran says. God has forbidden us not think beyond our limits of thinking. God has put us in this world to explore it. Much like Artificail Itelligence, but here it is real itellgence.
Just Keep reading you will find the reason to believe. If not I still respect your view. May Allah show you the right path. I hope you won’t take it ofensively.
By the way the reason why we can’t understand why God does bad things to us is because we cannot comprehend the thinking thats beyond us. How can we, we have an inferrior itellgence. I thought of that first then I read a Quranic verse that said something like this that God gave us the power of thinking and now we think we are superrior.
We can say how it happened, we may learn ways to avoid it but we can never answer why God let it happen if he was really there? All Catholics would agree with me, hehee.
All I know without evil there is good. And if there is no evil for us to fight there is no test. Since there is evil within us and around us I am pretty confident it’s a test. That is also what Islam says Life is a test! Not a coincidece.
If you do read this start thinking form the start, how we came into existance. Apes? I don’t think so. They can’t find the missing link and never will. Because we were created as human from the start (Adam and Eve). I know you would not agree with me here. But that’s okay. Religion need time to think. You are thinking about it. Or at least you were. Thinking and questioning things around us make us human. It is this curiosity that make us Superior to all creature.
That’s why I am a Muslim. Islam Explains it all to me.
My Comment are for the “Apostate”. All are free to talk to me. My email is zainabbas86@hotmail.com.
Zain, you asked me to respond to your thoughts to this post, but on re-reading, I don’t understand what you want me to say. You are expressing your views. You already know I disagree. What more is there to say?
Perhaps I will just point out to you that evolution is a biological fact. If you think science is real, you ought to be able to educate yourself on that. I suggest you start with TalkOrigins.
“Perhaps I will just point out to you that evolution is a biological fact. If you think science is real, you ought to be able to educate yourself on that. I suggest you start with”
Who disgrees with that?
But If you say there is no God than am I in control of my life? If so how come whenever I see the universe my existance is so little? I don’t know maybe I just can link myself to monkeys that easy. Still scientists didn’t find the missing link now did they? Whatever I have found that studying science and believeing there is a God explained things for me.
Your answer wasn’t what I was looking for. Anyway thanks for answering. I still look at you as a Pakistani. Good Luck!
Well i don’t blame you thinking about Muslim this way as you are right to say this.
I’m also born Muslim live in United Kingdom & as i’m feeling this way for long time & truly Muslim people are distory the islam true meaning of life.
But one thing i can say is that these MUSLIMS NEVER GOES IN HEAVEN EXPECT IN HELL FIRE OF PLACE OF RESTING. Because true Muslim never do wrong expect good for others first & hope in your heart you find the true meaning of ISLAM isn’t bad expect Good.
Interesting that you sited “Koranic Science” as the last thread that kept you hanging on. I find it curious when Muslims refer to “Koranic Science” as a stable proof and non-Muslims/apostates foist it up as the last gasp of their retention of Islam. Science is not prepared to look for God. This is the biggest shame of Modernity. It would seem to me that you simply didn’t find what you were looking for. Perhaps Islam wasn’t for you – it isn’t for everyone. Or, equally plausible, is that you just didn’t look in the right places, didn’t know what you were looking for, didn’t know how to look, or, you looked and just didn’t like what you saw.
You story intrigues me as do all apostate stories. I would be curious to dialog with you, privately if you wish [I don't want to make this a spectacle - I just have some serious questions]. Was it that that which you knew somehow embodied the very possibilities of Islam and thus, experiencing it as you did [I've never been to Saudi Arabia so I can't discount your experiences there], you jettisoned the baby with the bathwater?
Anyway, drop me a line if you feel up to it.
I didn’t elaborate on this point as it would take time hence my call for dialog. If you opt not to, I will be happy to post my points as a comment.
God I can’t type…
“Shame” should read “sham”…
Hi, Marc — I emailed you.
Hi. New to your blog. Interesting post.
Why you left Islam is the same reason I think most people leave the religion of their ancestry. They approach adulthood, step out from parental wings (which can be delayed for people into their 20s, 30’s, 40’s! or more, if ever) and see religion as confused and inconsistent.
It is when you look at it through a certain lense. Who says you are using the right lense?
“The Koran and the Hadith are also very flawed as sources of law”
Now I (Capital “I”) am God and I know all. Muslims probably don’t know well the religion they follow. And we judge the religion always by the followers. Islam is evil due to the taliban. Christianity is evil because the crusades, inquisition and the plot line in Godfather III, etc.
Atheists, Apostates and Fundamentalists all make a similar mistake in my opinion: they claim Divine priviledge and knowledge of Creation and the Source of Creations or the lack of any source.
It would be better if all these empty prayers and all these empty convictions for and against God went AGNOSTIC and people just admitted they don’t know shit.
My trip to Kaba would be to pray for God to introduce Itself to me. “If you are there, give me a sign, show me the way so I can have some real proof and peace in my heart that mine is not an empty religion.”
“Ask, He will answer…” Quran
Or. I would say, fellow human beings, I don’t know if what Moses, Jesus, Prophet Muhammad, Lao Tze, Buddha and Vishnu all wrote is true or not. What is important to me is here and now and physical existence and rational purpose. I don’t care about religion: right or wrong and I am going to live my life without concern for the here-after except as people remember me as a good and decent person.”
Stop with all the assumptions. You don’t know whether Qur’an and Hadith are good or bad as Lawgivers. You can only see how people have definitely effed them up.
Buzz Kill, the mistake people like you make is assuming there is NO way to judge or evaluate a belief system at all. I disagree.
I also disagree that a religion can’t or shouldn’t be judged according to the actions of its followers — that’s a damn good criterion, in my opinion. Fortunately, in Islam’s case, the Holy Book itself discredits any claims to truth Islam might have.
I actually have opinions, you see. Not satisfied with the emptiness of declaring I don’t know what to think about anything because I’m not omniscient.
“I also disagree that a religion can’t or shouldn’t be judged according to the actions of its followers ”
Oh. that’s nice.
Well…call it what it is then….stereotyping.
I’m sure you know how that goes. Not so good.
How is judging a religion any way at all “stereotyping”? What am I supposed to be stereotyping? A religion?
Wait, I should shut up. You’re made of stupid. There’s no point.
apostate…..completely love you for the answer above (to buzzkill!)….it is beyond tiresome, having to hear these same excuses over and over….and over and over…tiresome..
….my weary answers (addressing premise only here – not specific issues):
ONE: only muslims are bad and not Islam….. why not? the onus is on the muslims to be better apostles of their faith and its cowardly and shameful to constantly resort to begging not to be judged for their actions (just because you do it belligerently does not make it any less begging)….also tell me this, if any philosophy, any guide, no matter how good it sounded, did not lend itself to any successful meaningful application by its devout subscribers over extended periods of time (many centuries in this case), over innumerable different scenarios, would you still claim that it is a perfect philosophy? DUH!!!
TWO: I think Islam does contain many things that are downright bad and offensive and I do SO EFFING NOT have to be a scholar to say that! If Islam demands my submission as an ordinary human being, it had better be able to take my criticism as one and not demand that I keep my mouth shut until I have read (and perhaps memorized!) each and every single word ever written on Islam….I have read and understood enough to convince me, so why should I take the moral low ground and say I do not have an opinion when I do!!
Sista, right on! Well-stated and argued.
You can hate the Easter Bunny or Astrophysics or the ineffable. It makes no difference. Ignorance. We are not talking tax forms here, we are talking about the act of Creation. Not your mundane concerns.
You don’t like the politics wrapped up by politicians in religion? Religion, which is solely the worship of God?
Too effing bad. Yours is a basic apples -oranges mix up.
Two, three or a hundred ignorant people don’t make the case any better.
And I am definitely not talking about scholars and I am not here to defend Islam. I DON’T CARE OR GIVE A DAMN whether you believe or not.
It makes no difference to me. I was trying to lay the case in objective manner and you are the pissy people who can’t deal. You have to bring in Al-Qaeda to explain why you hate Islam and now you don’t accept the characterization of stereotyping.
Ignorant people. No hope for stupidity.
Live with it.
I don’t see how it should be called ’stereotyping’ by saying that ‘religion is as religion does’. Ask those who give their religion a bad name and they will tell you, and prove it, that they are following their religion 100% correctly. But the real telling part is when even moderates don’t disagree with and even stand up for or make excuses for them.
I’m willing to bet that anyone who knows enough about Islam to hate it would not even have to mention bin Laden or al-Qaeda once.
I read you blog and was quite interested…are you still in contact with your family after u rejected islam? Wb
apostate you are this alishiv sena who disguise himself under many names
you should be ashamed of yourself for leaving a religion. Why the world must know about your it. kEEP IT FOR YOU. And who are you? THE LATE LADY DIANA. QUEEN OF DENMARK. JENNYFER LOPEZ. Noooooooo you are just a piece of shit. Wash your smelly ass well. BASTARD.
i laughed in genuine amusement at lovena’s comment – not even a hint of cynicism or indignation on behalf of a fellow apostate! Maybe its my age or maybe its the sheer idiocy of commenting this way on someone else’s home turf! ….its quite funny! as is her respect for “the late” lady Diana!
The world is becoming atheism now. No wonder that ’s why we are experiencing all have kind of calamities nowadays because of these devils. Let all pray together those who still beleive in God. Let us pray for our safety, happiness and wellbeing. Thanks god i still believe in him and do my puja everyday.
First of all, Evil comes from within our selves not from God, as one person mentioned on here by saying something along the lines of “we can not understand why God does the bad things HE does to us”!!! It really does boggle my mind how many stupid people exist in the world.
Second of all, Thank God a zillion times for people like you who leave Islam. Islam nor God does NOT need people like you dear and this is why God, not your choice of leaving, has stripped away your faith completely and made you blind to any truth of any kind because HE is the only one who knows behind our hearts and yours is unclean!!!
It is funny because you say you read the Qur’an, word for word and realized that it was not mentioning anything towards women. What are you really?? There is an entire surah about women, not to mention through out the Qur’an there is a mention of women and men alike. But see again, God, not your choosing of leaving Islam, has made you blind to even understand what you are reading.
Since you are an apostate and you so happily , openly and definitely stupidly don’t believe, may I ask you a question??? Who is it then do you think created you??? Did you just happen to come along by chance??? From the wind perhaps??? Just a question………….
Enjoy this life as much as you can because it is the only enjoyment you will ever have!!! And if you are lucky, you will not reap the punishment in this life but chances are you will sooner than you think!! Just remember this post from this anonymous person!!
Good luck!! You need it for you are a very poor soul and I feel extremely sorry for you!!!
Listen I know of people who follow religions because that was how they were raised, and I believe that is wrong. Because the smallest thing can break you. I was not raised in a religious family, but when I was 16 I began to read about the history different nations.
What I realized was that when the muslim nation ruled. They allowed christians and jews to live along side them. With their OWN laws! who does that!! Then I began to feel that ruling over a state and taking its wealth is wrong even if the people are treated justly.
But I read that the caliphate used to command that money collected from tax be spent on the area it was taken from.
Also when the crusaders took over Jerusalem they slayed everyone, WOMEN, CHILDREN, ELDERLY, MONKS, CHRISTIANS, and JEWS! Not a single person was left.
When Saladin retook jerusalem he allowed those who killed him to live peacefully and they were not harmed!
that is islam not what you see today.
Hi, Apostate. I hopped over here from reclusiveleftist, and I just wanted to thank you.
I come from a very small religion, but grew up in a town that was focused around it. Almost everyone I knew, until I went away to college, was the same religion. We learnt it in school, in science. Now, I actually like my religion more than I would most other religions. It claims to rely on “reason” and “love” and all that…but in some ways, that’s it’s problem. Things I didn’t think were problems all of a sudden were – and oh the wretched treachery of disillusionment! The sexism, the guilt, the homophobia, the silliness disguised as logic. I could go on and on and on and on.
I’ve been away only two years, but I’ve realized things and learnt things and now think things that I never thought I would. The weirdest part is, no matter how much I intellectually reject my religion, it still comes up subconsciously. Sometimes I still wish I had that sense of certainty – but I know I can never go back to it, now that I’ve recognized it’s faults, and (more importantly) the type of harm it promotes. I guess it’s an ingrained, long process (much like rejecting any socially-learned behavior or belief). Hearing about others that have gone on the same sort of path gives me hope. Sometimes I fear that my parents will never understand my choices, never accept my relationship with my boyfriend, never accept my adulthood, personhood, politics and feminism. With the exception of some close friends, my entire home town is becoming more and more dead to me. This is scary.
So, yes. Thanks for the courage to continue to fight for what I think, even if it means brief estrangement from loved ones, or a battle with my previous beliefs.
I know we don’t have the same situation, nevertheless: you are quite an inspiration. Sorry for spilling some of my own story all over your post!
(also I’ve been perusing the rest of your blog, and it’s quite nifty! I’ll be around. Keep on being awesome!)
Er, thank you so much for the kind words and welcome to the blog. I wish you the best in your journey. It gets easier, I promise (at least, it did for me).
bastard i fuck your mother and your sisters inot their assholes. You must be a hindu fanatic disguised here hahahahah. I discover your depth suddenly. got it punk into your ass with your mother as a whore and sisters as prostitutes hahahah
ABU JAHAL’S FAMILY IS STILL ALIVE AND STILL WORKING. U SHOULD FOLLOW MUSALIMA BIN KAZAB, YAZEED , DUA-UL-KHARSI ETC. KEEP WORKING TILL U DIE.
U PEOPLE R NOT THE FIRST ONE.
MANY CAME BEFORE U.
AND THE MOST ADMIRABLE POINT OF ISLAM IS THAT ALLAH HIMSELF HAS TAKEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ITS DEFENSE.
AND U PEOPLE R NOT WORTH TO BE IN ISLAM.
IT IS ALLAH’S WILL.
God is real,but religion is man made, that’s why most of the religions book put woman as a second class,kind of like a housekeeper type,I cannot judge any one,but my work is my way of life and get closer to people by serving them,one think we all must know nobody will get out of here alive. May God bless you all.
“There was the time I went to Hajj and on one long trek, happened to see from above, from a bridge, the awe-inspiring vision of a sea of white-clad humanity pouring its heart out to God. And in that awe-inspiring moment, I had a sudden conviction pop into my head that there was no God listening to the heartrending cries of suffering humanity. In that moment, I sensed the millennia of unanswered prayers of a species yearning to hold on to… Something. I was somehow sure there was Nothing there to hold on to.”
Beautiful words my friend.
After leaving christianity I felt like Neo in the matrix, I could now see the REAL world. And it is such a beautiful place.
my dear friend,
after reading through your paragraphs i can not help but scream lawlessness and anarchy!! its a typical demand of the modern man who selfishly trusts his own wisdom and bases his understanding to the not required detail! we live in a modern world where people have no problem in obeying rules and regulation laid at work but defy the existence since it demands so little of their time!!
i would not be surprised if you have been a victim of falsified and exaggerated information against islam! or rather thought by an extremist!
but i believe in finding what you seek, and like a child that can manipulate his toys, people can misunderstand and manipulate Islam!! which all might seem on good faith NOT!!
however, i am sure if you put enough effort in finding the right answers in arabic as you did in finding criticism, you might revert or find that path that justifies your broader thinking and explains what this whole world is about and thats certainly more than a simple explosion which is weak in definition!
Iv always believed in a saying that goes “the pretender always has to prove himself” and that is what made me think about religion, god, heaven and hell and it made me start to think why are there religions?
Why there are gods of thunder lightning and so on?… well it is to understand what he cannot. in Islam Mohammed captured prisoners and raped them. And when he had sex with Aisha she was only nine years old…I could carry on with the countless sins that he has committed….look at what has become of the Muslim world al Qaeda, Taliban scurrying like rodents and killing people of western civilizations saying that they were doomed to hell! Is this the future of the so called glorious ummah?
I have come to realize that all religions point in one common direction and that is good intentions. For does god care if you do salah or rather go to church to worship him? In both scenarios your intention is to show your love for god.
I believe god is compassionate and those people who depict god as a cruel being are only unsatisfied of what god has given them. When I went to Sudan recently they repeatedly told me of how lucky I am and they showed me how poor they where until I realized how lucky they were. For once they had close family bonds, they had fun like I have never seen before and the thing that striked me the most was the beauty of the country itself. As I looked at the stars and the beautiful environment surrounding me I realized that god is equally good to all people in this life or the next.
I have lived among Muslims for most of my life and when they ask me where I am from and I tell them of my western nationality. They keep on making crude comments saying that the west was the source of all evil. But as these words spewed out of their mouths I was already hearing the source of all evil talking.
Ethnical hatred, religious hatred and so on are the true sources of all evil. Not religions not anything accept ourselves because beneath our righteous, religious and smiling outer scales underneath us all lies a unsatisfied seething core which modifies religions transforming it to something else look at prophet Mohammed and polygamists they are all of the same kind and thankfully I have realized that the proof of god lies everywhere you look. And good intentions, values and respect for others is the true key to god’s love.
Love this thread. You helped me vocalize beliefs I’ve long held (or let go of… either way). Thank you for your blog and keep it coming.
I was very touched by your final paragraph, where you describe how you never set out to stop believing. This is exactly how I have felt myself. I think that those who have never felt this way cannot understand the pain involved, the sense of betrayl, the isolation from others who continue to believe and who just can’t seem to understand that this is something you can’t help. I have no one else in my life who believes as I do. I left Christianity years ago, for similar reasons to the ones you described. It’s nice to know that there are others out there who feel the same way.
wow, have fun burning in hell…u might as well post up some nudes and start doing porn.
I would just like to discuss the point that you make about Mohammed being a rapist and a robber? I dont know how or why u describe him as having robbed because from what I understand Muhammed was known for his honesty, and even the non-Muslims in Mecca used to entrust him with their property and houses when they went away on trips. That’s even though they hated him for being a Muslim.
As for rapist, I think your information is incorrect. If you are referring to Muhammed marrying his wife Aysha, it is well-known (even confirmed by Aysha) that even though he married Aysha at the age of 9, they did not consummate the marriage until she was 13. They divulged this information to people so that Muslim men, in following the Prophet’s example, would not marry young girls before they were sexually mature. Yes, by today’s standard, it is not acceptable to marry a 13 yr old girl. But let us not forget that we are talking about 600 AD, where this was not uncommon.
The prophet married each wife for a reason at the time. I dont pretend to know exactly why he married each (not because there is no literature explaining it, just because i haven’t read it all), but there is a reason behind every one. Lust was definitely not a reason for his marriages. It is peculiar how Muhammed is described to be a rapist/pervert/sexually deviant for marrying many wives, yet everyone knows that a man’s sexual peak is between the ages 20-40. Yet Muhammed was married to his first wife for 20 years (and married to her alone) from when he was 22 till he was 42 when she died. She was 40 years old when he married her (18 years older than him). He furthermore mourned her death for 2 years, and married the rest of his wives only after that. I don’t think that this sounds like a man who is sexually sick, considering that if he married all those wives for lust, I doubt that he was able to keep up with every one of them. As I said, he married each wife for a reason. I remember one wife (her name is Ummu Salama) he married her because she was a widow and old and had no family to take care of her. They, from what I know, did not really consummate the marriage. The prophet used to alternate where he sleeped between his wifes every night, and Ummu Salama gave up her night to another wife for several reason which I wont get into, signifying that the marriage was for the convenience of the wife only. Muhammed also married a jewish woman and a christian woman, in order to unify the arab tribes together. It was a marriage for political reasons, and it allowed the Muslims tribes to live in peace with the Jewish and Christian ones. Muhammed is well known for having unified the Arab tribes at a time when there was great turmoil between them, and it was common for tribes at the time to marry between each other to form alliances. This practice also occurred in Europe where the European royalty arranged marriages amongst each other to form alliances, and so this is not a thing unique to Islam or Arabs.
As for the quran, it is really a shame that you cant read it in Arabic, as I would assume that a lot of its meanings gets lost in translation. As to why it seems to speak to men, it is because the Quran was revealed to the Prophet directly from the Angel Gabriel, and so naturally it is revealed in the form of instructions from God to Muhammed to relay to his people.
I know that the idea of revelation seems unlikely and shadey to some. But to me, the point of having a belief is that you have to make that leap of faith. Otherwise, what is the point of believing? In any case, I dont think God is cruel, he wouldnt ask us to believe in something with nothing to base it on. That is why God has performed many miracles, such as the parting of the red sea and other things that are relayed in many religions. Yes, these things happened many thousands of years ago, but it would be silly to keep asking God for miracles for our own indulgence. However, the Quran is a miracle which exists in the same form that it was revealed in in 600 AD. Let us forget about differing interpretations of the Quran for now, there are many things in the Quran that predate the knowledge and science of the time it was revealed in. Therefore, I don’t see how it could have been written by a man. Please consult this link, I think you will find it to be interesting: http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/
In any case, those are my 2 cents.
B, you’ve trotted out just about every bit of apologist propaganda there is in support of your beloved prophet and religion.
And you’re wrong about everything.
And it’s not my job to educate you. Especially since you have the advantage of me in terms of access to higher learning institutions. Learn something from them instead of stuffing your head with tripe like Koranic science.
Jesus.
Why do you reject any information that I give on the basis that it is ‘religious propoganda’? Is it because you are intolerant of anyone who does not share your beliefs?
I did not ask you to educate me. Excuse me if I am wrong, but I thought the point of your blog was to debate things… not to attack someone for their opinion/beliefs. I was merely pointing out the explanation for the accusations that you made. Being dismissive of things just because they do not suite or support your position does not make you more knowledgeable.
Your assumption that there an inherent antithesis between being educated and following a religion is wrong. But anyway, there’s no point in going on with this further. I was hoping to have a nice discussion, but maybe this isn’t a place to do it.
‘Jesus’.
B, you misunderstood. I’m not saying your offer of “explanations” was bad. Your offer of stupid apologetics – which I have refuted in THIS post, as well as elsewhere on the blog – as if you were educating me about things I’d never heard — that was stupid and unworthy of my time or attention.
As for the “purpose” of this blog – read the comments policy.
Yes, I’m intolerant of people who don’t share my beliefs because they’re usually pretty stupid.
Like you.
i had a very terrible break-up with my boyfriend..i pray to God to help me decrease my love for him and He did it.I’m a Muslimah and I won’t leave my religion.Islam is not a religion of terrorism.Muhammad is a very3 kind-hearted prophet.Try to read the history of him and u will know.
As mentioned by this lady above explaining that Muhammad (P.B.U.H) is the “author” of Quran, well she should know some basic facts about becoming an author,
Either you should know HOW 2 read OR write
OR
You must have KNOWLEDGE about What you are revealing in your book.
Now let’s analyze Muhammad (P.B.U.H), He did’nt know HOW 2 Read or Write and What Quran tells about gravity, moon, mountains, water, human creation most of those things have’nt been known till today to be scientifically valid.
So, I know this won’t get you to believe in my words or text I have written here But that’s sure of a big question mark and cross to your comment above regarding Muhammad (P.B.U.H) to be the author of Quran.
You must be issue specific and reasonable discussing problems and look behind the wall not judging and considering valid the first thought that comes to your mind.
Hope that helps :)
Anand, great blog.
Dear Apostate, I comend your bravery to not only write the truth about islam but also to do so openly. I am also a pakistani ex muslim and can, in some ways, relate to your story. I hope one day i could summon the courage to be openly atheist like you have.
Dear brave apostates from around the world.
Many of you live in countries where it is not safe to openly declare that you are not muslim anymore. The fact that you have been muslim, and are no longer makes you a mighty force against Islam if you choose to be. The fact that you better then any know how the human mind may be freed from the chains of Islam, because you have done so yourself.
I live in Australia, and I’m very very worried about how Islam’s values are encroaching on western society in practically every western country. The intolerant extremists are very vocal, moderates very silent, and apostates seem to be non-existant. All this leaves the extremist voice the only voice and representative of all people from muslim countries.
I ask all moderates, and especially apostates in the west to speak out and tell our governments that the clerics, Imams, scholars etc, absolutely do not represent you, and their demands, and whining and insistence of more and more inclusion of Islamic values in our society is not what you want and does not serve the interests of most of the people of muslim heritage.
Moderates and apostates in Islamic countries, use the net to meet others and form interenet comunities. Post your experiences of Islam on apologist sites so that the stupid polictically correct learn and know that many muslims are not happy with Islam and seek massive reform or abolution of Islam as a governing and legal system.
The average politically correct, moral relativism advocate it the west really believes that there is 1.4 billion muslims in the world that are all totally happy and orgasmic to live under sharia law, and in fact, just can not live without it.
Oh,and the guy above going on about Mo. He married Aisha at 6 years old, and had sex with her at 9 years old. He practiced thighing with her between those years…….as well as other non-penetrative sexual acts. It’s all in hadith, and I’m not going to go and dig them up and quote them, do that yourself if your really interested in the truth…….but I doubt you are because your obviously a fan of Mo.
As for honest, yeah right. He personally lead 27 raids on merchant caravans and villages, killing the men, taking the women and children as slaves, and all property as war booty, of which he peronally got 20%.
Instead of listening to apologists, or revisionary historians…….or worse….clerics, Imams, practicing taqia……..why don’t you go straight to the sources………Koran……hadith.
In as for Mo and his divine revealations, it was Aisha who said to Mo…….”All I see is that your lord hurries to please you”
In other words……you want something, or do something….then reveal yet another verse to justify it.
WEll, I have recently moved from Islam to Agnosticism. A lot of it has to do with my husband’s divorce. I have always had some cognitive dissonance with some aspects in Islam. And part of me just couldn’t do it anymore. I use to see God as this all-knowing, punishing God, and yet he was merciful. And then I could never understand how we women could be treated so harshly and how God could have given so few rights to us even though we are doing all the work! And then I really began to hate that we could be treated so harshly by our men and there is no way out for us. We don’t even have something in the religion that could form a committee to make sure women are not treated harshly or their rights trampled on. In the end, when I saw through experience and through other women how much life could really be a hell for us, I decided to move on.
B,
“As for rapist, I think your information is incorrect.”
Actually most charges of “Muhammad the rapist” relate to other wives/concubines of his – e.g. Riyanah, Zainab or Saffiyah.
Saffiyah:
e.g. Having tortured then killed Saffiyah’s husband (Kinanah bin al-Rabi bin al-Huqyaq of the Banu Nadir) – and also killing her parents and tribe, he slept with her that night. Either she got over their deaths really really quickly and didn’t mind sleeping with the torturer and murderer of her husband etc., or else she was raped. Which do you think is more likely?
Citations:
The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”Tabari VIII:122, See Also Ishaq:515
(btw Muhammad tortured Kinanah to find out where his tribe’s treasure was located. Having had him beheaded, Muhammad then married Kinanah’s wife, Saffiyah):
When the apostle married Safiya in Khaybar or on the way, she having been beautified and combed, and got in a fit state for the apostle by Umm Sulaym d. Milhan mother of Anas b. Malik, the apostle passed the night with her in a tent of his. Abu Ayyub, Khalid b. Zayd brother of B. al-Najjar passed the night girt with his sword, guarding the apostle and going round the tent until in the morning the apostle saw him and asked him what he meant by his action. He replied, ‘I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people, and till recently she was in unbelief, so I was afraid for you on her account.’ Ibn Ishaq per Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, pp. 516-517
similar story with Zainab and Riyanah (Riyanah was the only survivor of the Banu Qurayza)
My greatest appreciation to “apostate” for jolting the mind of sleeping and humble muslim and muslimah around the world.
This platform really provide a kind of a gauging instruments for fellow muslim and muslimah to gauge the depth of their knowledge and their ability and/or inablity to counter “apostate” remarks. There is always a hikmah in all goods and bad that befallen to “society”. For remember Allah is the creator all Good and Bad. And none that he created is wasteful.
If you are a Lawyer they will be good argumentator of any case in any situation and if you are a Doctor your try to find a good or permanent cure for all ailment., cos a wrong diagnostic may kill mankind And if you are an Engineer, you will try to resolve all engineering problems for your contribution have final resultant of sucess and failure.
And as for one who have become disillusion for the religion of islam and the word of Allah in the Quran. Then the only tutor for her is Allah himself.
I still pray for you sister. For an inquisitive mind is thousand time better than lame mind at rest.
Thanking you waking up the muslim mind.
Umm … I think you left Islam because your parents didn’t raise you properly and didn’t give you a proper upbringing. It’s obvious. You seem like a lost soul but Allah guides whom He wills such that no one can misguide them and misguides whom He will such that no one can guide them. You’re the latter and this is something we, Muslims, already have been told about. The prophecies of the Prophet are just another proof of the logical correctness of this religion. Your life story only makes me a firmer Muslim. All praise is to God, the creator of the heavens and the earth.
ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
READ THE QORAN AND UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF EACH WORD…………NOT JUST SAY ANYTHING THAT COME OUT FROM YOUR BRAIN…..THINGS HAPPENS FOR A REASON….BE A MUSLIMS IS MUCH BETTER THAN ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD….THE TRANQUILITY, THE TRUTH,THE PATIENCE EVERYTHINGS..PLEASE COME TO REAL ROOT…STOP QUESTIONING GOD AND START TO INVESTIGATING YOURSELF INSTEAD……
iam 22-yrs old somali-born living Nairobi, Kenya., young and handsome with good sense of humore iam looking for a long term relationship female apostates who understands me and we raise a family based with humanity.
loverbishar@hotmail.com
Nairobi,kenya.
All I can say is …wow.
I’m almost 21, female Pakistani and I’m finding it extremely difficult to openly admit my rejection of Islam to my family. Not out of fear of getting killed, but I fear hurting my family. I am also dating a white Atheist Australian who I do wish to live my life with, but I can see this getting extremely messy!
I commend your bravery, and can only roll my eyes at the typical insults that come from ‘believers’ directed at you.
Are you still in touch with your family?
G, there is no compulsion in islam. Remember Allah did not threaten you. Your genuine fear comes from your own creed and blood and not from Islam. Do yourself some justice. Apostate has done so. No harm have befallen her. Islam is not a life threatening religion.
What about the threats in the Quran though?
I have to add that a male relative of my mother converted some time ago. He got beaten up, and buried alive amongst many other experiences. Luckily some spectators saved him after the mob had finished and gone. His life is in danger in several Muslim countries.
You will say that the threat does not come from Allah, it comes from people. Yes, people using the word of Allah to excuse their hatred.
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
I really cannot imagine what kind Islam is this one you clearly stated you don’t believe in.
The true Islam is beautiful and perfect. First of all I want to remind you Islam is Quran and Sunna and not what you see on some so called Muslims.
I imagine you just had some bad examples because I really can’t figure out how you ended up at the conclusion that wearing a swim suit and allowing men to look at you as you are a sexual object is liberating.
Western women working 10-12 hours/ day sometimes even more and taking care of the kids and family in the same time is that liberating?
I am a convert and I am living in Europe.
How can you say Muslim women are oppressed? Muslim women had since the beginning of Islam rights that European and Western Women didn’t have in the 19th century. Let me name some of them: the right to divorce; to inherit; to have their own properties; to marry whomever they want; to get proper education and so on and so forth.
I feel very sorry for you because Islam is my life and I don’t love anybody the way I love Allah Subhaan Wa T’ala.
There are so many things to say. I really don’t know what kind of Quran have you read to make such untrue affirmation.
There scientific proves that Quran came from Allah. Quran mentioned about genetics when that was not even a science and people didn’t know anything about the embryo. How could Muhammad sal allahu aleihi wa salam to know all those scientific facts when he was an illiterate?
Surah 2 Aya 132
“And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; “Oh my sons! God hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the State of Submission (to Allah)”
Surah 3 Aya 102: “O you who believe, you shall observe GOD as He should be observed, and do not die except as Submitters.”
May Allah guide you and have mercy on your soul.
G, if you dont have the courage than it all said and done. Allah is AlMighty, that is aqidah. Muhammad is just the messenger of the Great god, period. As a muslim that is fundamental. Question Him you will get the answers from him, question yourself, your intelligence is short sighted and question your creed you will be obliterated(as what happened to your relative).
He puts you in the state that you are in. Why?I dont know. You should know Yourself. Allah says come to Me in all sincerness and never associate Me with all worldly things. And Only If You really want to. Remember we did not call Allah as MR Allah.
We invoke his real name without any worldly assosciation.
Spectator with “s”?Who sent them?I dont know!
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Sister, this is my last post here, I left you two posts on this page and one on the other.
This is Islamic way of dealing with people, you tell somebody three times they done something wrong and and then you just let them be. I cannot force you to study Islam, but it’s my duty toward Allah to tell you the Islam you’re talking about it’s a product of your judgemental thinking based on people you knew.
Everybody will be judged acording to their conduct and only Allah can judge us. I am not allowed to judge you. I can only pray for you.
I became Muslim 3 years ago alhamdoulillah and islamic way of life does not seem not difficult for me. I cannot go out without my hijab and my abayas because I wear them in order to show my submissivness to Allah. This is what I am! A Muslim!
My brother start reading and he also became Musilm. I find out only a couple days before his sahada. I didn’t talk much about Islam with him. You know better than me that we cannot force anybody to enter Islam.
It was his own choice. I didn’t even know he was reading about Islam. I just prayed for him to became Muslim, the way I will also pray for you to return to Islam.
I am waiting for you on yahoo if you need to talk with somebody.
One more thing, you say you know tafsir and you are only 24. I have friends born Muslim who also studied for years ( 15 years) in a Muslim country and they don’t think they know that much. Allah is all knowledgeable we must keep that in our mind. Maybe you were meant to doubt your faith in order to start studying better and make it stronger. Nothing in this world happens by hazard.
Allahu Alam
idwani – if Allah ‘put me in this situation’ then that doesn’t make me want to follow him anymore. So much for being merciful. Not blowing my own horn or anything but I’m not a bad person, I have morals too. So if Allah still wants to get pissed at me, so be it. *rolleyes*
Anyway, I’m going to stop using Apostate’s blog as a means of arguing with you because that’s pretty lame. I also don’t want to be told the same things I’ve heard before, from you.
My deepest regret is loosing a sister of Islam. My wish is that you start to embark on a soul searching journey to find the one and true Allah or God or Life that will give you fulfillment n peacefullness.
For Sister Latiffa, welcome to Islam.
Apostate,
Very interesting and encouraging to see an empowered young woman feeling the strength to use reason and speak your mind. I respect people who leave Islam even more than other religions because of the highly negative and often dangerous reactions they face.
Best wishes
BWS
Wow, your blog is great. You are an excellent writer.
I have left Christianity in the last year, and I see several similarities in the process of doubting religion between our accounts. Thank you for speaking out about this, and letting people know that we are out there. I admire your courage and determination to do this, which must be incredibly difficult for you at times. I applaud your efforts. Good luck with everything.
I read some of these Islamic apologists and it’s the same lies of “Islam means peace” and “there is no compulsion…” then they murder children b/c the children were raped. Then they talk about the ‘true’ Islam. Actions speak louder than words. If the true Islam is about peace then the true KKK is about racial tolerance.
Well having read your contributors I seem to see what is common on all such blogs from adherents of the religion of peace,utter mindless drivel.
Imagining myself as an honest muslim proselytiser here’s my pitch:
My great and true religion was founded by an illiterate murdering power mad sociopath with a narcisscism problem.
He seemed to suffer from convulsive disease(epilepsy)but convinced his cerebrally challenged chums that during these
convulsions he was visited by a psychopathic entity called Allah;who gave him the job of converting the world to his ideals.
Anybody who disagreed was to be disposed of(Allah is a very angry bastard).
Mo was also visited by the Angel Gabriel(with700 wings)
he was illiterate but the lad could count.
All these conferences were put on paper almost 200 years
later and circa 53%of this tome are concerned with the
enslavement and or forced conversion of any poor bugger
who was not prieviously a member of thisdeath cult.
In the next 1400 years the one true religion spread death and misery to all who encountered it(muslims are right and everybody else is wrong and we’ll kill you to prove it)
Everybody must submit , die or live in a state of semislavery
but only after paying pecuniary homage to the religion of peace.
So today we bomb and murder infidels to get them to see sense and join our beautiful faith.
Allah of course,being omnicient,omnipotent and omnipresent could achieve this on own bat; but as well as being malevolent he’s also a lazy bastard.
Like all gangster bosses he prefers his followers to carry out his dirty work.
Our Allah has an anger management problem that seems incurable(maybe Jesus can provide some professional counselling).
Well infidels I’m sure you are now convinced of the truth and purity of Islam so trot down to your local mosque and join up; bearing in mind that your physical and spiritual wellbeing is at stake.
How are muslims accepting of such nonsense?
The answer is surely that their insane parents have filled
their impressionable minds with this hate filled poison.
It’s about time that teaching children the foul tenets of Islam
should be treated as a crime of cruelty and a custodial sentence imposed on the parents.
Muslims should also realise that the days of polite opposition are over .
A plan to flatten the grand mosque and the kabaa has I believe, been suggested(after a 3 day warning) by the American military.
I hope that the statement “I am a muslim” will be met with hoots of derisive laughter.(just like anyone proclaiming themselves a nazi; after all what’s the difference? )
Is there anything new about this blog??? Muslims are apologetic about their religion or applied form of Islam (not Islam in spirit) that they write on such issues. But a lot of readers/surfers fancy such literature. So if you want to be cool, good for you!
I find it funny when Muslim women in the west claim that they’re so liberated now that they’re Muslim; you live in the West, of course your rights are respected. Go to Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan and see how wonderful an Islamic country is!
You may have your reasons for leaving Islam.
I had my reason to become Muslim.
Religion poisons your mind.
I came upon your site by accident and read your story about leaving Islam. I’m very comforted that others have made the same difficult journey. I was born into a Hindu family and I could never describe in short how difficult it is to leave a religion – no one mentions how inextricably tied religion is to culture and social connections. I am very thankful for my immediate family and their willingness to support and understand.
I spent a surprising amount of time reading through the comments in response to your spiritual journal away from religion. I find it odd that every religious supporter automatically assumes that belief in God is not independent of belief in religion. I find it interesting that supporters of religion miss the subtlety that many individuals leave religion, not God.
I pity those who try to bring you back to man-made religion. I find that personal spirituality with God is deepened without the confines of religion backed with brainwashing tactics.
Dear Apostate,
Thank you for sharing this blog with us. It’s interesting that whenever a Muslim uses the Quran to try to prove their rock solid belief (are they trying to convince themselves or us?), they only convince me that Mohammed was completely bats and that if there is an almighty God out there he certainly wouldn’t have used that nutball to spread his message.
Big kudos to you for your strength of character and monster intelligence. Your honesty with yourself and others is admirable. The world will be a better place if more brainwashed people made of stupid follow your lead.
Looking forward to reading more from you.
All the best! :)
God works in mysterious ways? Allah the most merciful? Christ the way, the life, the whatever? Lord, he even talks through a burning bush! If you’re not faithful enough, then you weren’t raised properly or you succumbed to the Devil’s temptations… damn if you do and damned if you don’t. Faith-heads don’t realize that there’s another option – there is (probably) no God, so stop wasting time and start living.
Religion is a load of crock and reciting whatever scripture – from the Quran, Bible, Torah, Vedas, etc. – doesn’t make it less a crock.
Hello Apostate,
I cannot even comprehend the kind of stress you might have had when you decided you need to quit. I dont know whether I should use the word quit.
How many years has it been? Two? How are you keeping your vow alive?
I hope God/Universe/Energy source/or the tree next to your window, gives you the strength to travel on your convictions.
Good Luck.
Apostate, this is a very interesting read. I even appreciate how you left the cautionary messages of woe from those who feel their religion is “perfect”… leaving their words here emphasizes the difficulty of your path.
I am grateful to have been born into a christian family that is not really about their religion, they are only about what positive messages they see in it that are far more fundamental and important. Their idea was similar to the take the meat and leave the rest for the donkeys analogy that was used earlier.
All the best to you! :)
Chris
Religious theologies can be false, while the spiritual practices of a religion can be true. The reason for this is that the divine source is Transcendental.
i cant take these idots who go oh i left my religion im so cool now there is no God muhammed was a fake Prophet where there are stories of those muslims who are muslims by birth leaving there religion there are stories of christains and hindues converting muslim. anyways most dicks dont know and will never understand the secrets of the Quran its a Book for those who want to know the truth who believe that Gods law is the best law and then they will hear the voice of God and connect to a Higher power this life of 60 years and that too filled with the same repetitive things sex booze drugs music dance blah blah bullshit anyways who cares. so what just get a little attention from other unbelievers and like feel like i did the right thing. anyways some ppl want heaven and others want hell enjoy your eternal stay in the fire and ALLAH does not need you
Hi Apostate,
What a wonderful site. I followed a link here from Wiki Islam. I too, am a recovering Muslim. Born and raised.
My journey long story short was, I was a librarian in my former life. As a librarian you come across more books than the average person. I found a book entitled – Why I am Not Muslim – , noted above by another poster. I charged the book out, but could not bring myself to read it. I knew even then that what was in that book would change my life. I kept that book on the floor beside my bed for over a year.
One day I had a revelation LOL, seek out on the Internet, this Ibn Warraq, and so began my journey. The stories the other apostates told were very similar to mine. I believe he has since changed the format of the site, but it was the most eye opening experience for me. I read every post.
Quick Facts & Random Musings:
1. I flirted with being an Atheist, but I just couldn’t. I do still fundamentally believe in God, but not religion or even prayer.
2. I am African American, apostasy / atheism amongst my people (in any religion) is very rare. I have heard of only one other Black woman who has publically divested themselves of Islam.
3. When questioned about my religious beliefs, I tend to not talk about it to others because people are very ignorant, arrogant, angry, frightened or superstitious and can not carry on a conversation that allows them to think or debate the points without any of the above adjectives peppering the conversation.
4. Religion is nothing more than superstition with a book.
5. If your detractors believe Islam is so great, how do they find these sites and others? Shouldn’t they be on Islam friendly sites that allow them to wallow in their deen.
6. Ayann Hirsi Ali is my hero.
The site http://faithfreedom.org is run by such a ex-muslim(s).believe me!The Ex-Muslims are feeling so Easy when it comes to mingling with society or the way humanity grows over them ,instead of the violence which koran teaches.
Thanks for Leaving Islam.please inspire the billion strong muslims to leave islam and allah-the pagan moon god.
please watch bible and quran in the light of sciene..
“down to the last jot and tittle”…? You sound like an ex-christian, not an ex-muslim.
How come you sound so well-versed in christianity when you have been brought up in saudi arabia with fundamentalist parents?
It all sounds very wierd.
Also, the link you provided to http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran shows no differences. There are no differences found in that “musshaf-grave”, it’s just a big fraud.
Show me a difference (with MSS, please). Bring your proof if you are truthful.
Bjorn… are you Muslim?
Hello Apostate
Today i discovered your blog. You write so great it is admirable but it is sorry to say that all the evidences and your other posts all are based on totally fake theory. Don’t think that because I am muslim so that I am regretting the truth. It is my advice to you that send any post unless you have confirmed it from some reliable sources and also please don’t say anything bad about Prophet Mohammed Peace Be Upon Him. Because we muslims will not bear these harsh words about the Prophet of Islam.
Thanks
Don;’t delete and also think about it
Read: Shocking Reality of Real People Coming to Islam –
“Priests & Preachers Enter Islam?”
Chaplain Yusuf Estes
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My ethnic background is English-Native American, Irish and German. I was what they called a “WASP” (white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant). My family moved to Texas in 1949 while I was still in grade school, so my accent changed from “Yankee” to “Texan” real quick. We learned how to say “Ya’ll” instead of “youse guys” and “Howz ever thaang?” instead of “Waz up?” We also learned how to eat “Corn bread ‘n bains” instead of “Johnny cakes and beans.”
I was born in Ohio, raised and educated in Texas and was a successful marketing entrepreneur and preacher of Christianity. I grew up in a religious home. My parents and their relatives were all ‘good Christians.’ Basically that means that you never drink alcohol, except on very special occasions and never gamble expect Bingo at the church. Religion was a real part of my life. I believed very much in God and the Bible as His Word. While other children were playing ’school’ and ‘cops and robbers’ I would sometimes play the ‘Preacher.’ I can still remember my first sermon, standing on the ground in Doug Hideman’s backyard: “We must learn the Way of God! And then stay on that Way.” (That’s all I said. I couldn’t think of anything else)
My whole family on both my mother’s and father’s sides were very active members of the same denomination of Protestant Christianity. We all loved to go to church on Sunday mornings for Sunday school and sermon (well maybe we didn’t all love the long sermons). Then of course, special activities and holidays such as Easter, Christmas, Halloween and parties were always a part of our lives in my early years. Our church was originally called only “Christian Church.” It wasn’t until I turned 10 or 12 years old that the church ’split’ into two different groups that we started calling ourselves “Disciples of Christ.”
My father was an ordained minister and also very active in church work, as a Sunday school minister and fund raiser for Christian schools. He was the ‘expert’ in the Bible and its translations. It was through my father that I came to know about the various versions, translations and editions of the Bible as well as the introduction of pagan worship to Christianity about the time of the Emperor Constantine (325 C.E.). He, like many preachers would answer the question: “Did God actually write the Bible?” by saying: “The Bible is the Inspired Word of Man FROM GOD.” Basically, it means that humans (inspired humans, but humans just the same) wrote the Bible. That quickly explains the errors, mistakes, deletions and additions which have crept in and fell out over the years. He would add: “But it is still the Word of God, as inspired to man.”
God was always on my mind. I was ‘baptized’ into the ‘Spirit’ at age 12 and surprised even the minister (an ex-Jew who accepted Jesus) by my seriousness and intent on being a ‘full real follower of Christ.” I would think about Him and what He wanted us to do and why He created us in the first place, very often. Many times I would be caught ‘day dreaming’ about God when I was supposed to be paying attention to other things, like watching the pots boil over on the stove or not listen to the teachers at school. Sometimes I would rest my head on my arms on the top of my desk and try to imagine: “What will happen when we die?” and “What will Heaven be like?” or “Can we ever see God’s angels or the devil?”
http://www.islamdoor.com/Chaplain.htm
Wow, so glad you lead me here by commenting on my baby blog. If you take the above post, replace Islam with Catholicism and the Koran with the Bible, then we have a very shared experience. Incredible the similarities.